Thursday, 29 September 2016

By on September 29th, 2016 in Jen, personal, prepping

10:20 – The guys showed up this morning to start work on the driveway. They’re prepping the surface and building forms today. If the weather tomorrow is favorable, they’ll pour. Colin has been barking continuously since they arrived, shouting, “Bob! Bob! They’re stealing our driveway!”

Email from Jen overnight. She has one pack of commercial oral rehydration salts in stock, good for making up 15 liters of ORS solution. She and her husband started with the Wikipedia article and then read the other references it links to. They’re prepping for at least the six of them and possibly for two or three times that many, and they decided that 15 liters was grossly insufficient.

They didn’t want to depend on the makeshift sugar/salt solution mentioned in the article, which has much worse outcomes than the formal ORS solution, but neither did they want to spend $300 or $400 on the commercial product, so they decided to order what they’d need to make ORS solution up in bulk. As Jen said, in the larger scheme of things, it’s a very cheap prep. So she multiplied out the quantities stated in the article to determine that for each 100 liters of ORS she needs:

1350 grams (~48 ounces or 3 pounds) of anhydrous glucose
290 grams (~10.3 ounces) of trisodium citrate dihydrate
260 grams (~9.2 ounces) of sodium chloride (table salt)
150 grams (~5.3 ounces) of potassium chloride

She and her husband decided that it’d be a good idea to have at least 300 liters’ worth on hand. They obviously have table salt stored in quantity, so Jen ordered 10 pounds of anhydrous glucose, two pounds of trisodium citrate dihydrate, and a pound of potassium chloride, all food grade. She also ordered a couple bottles of zinc sulfate tablets to use with the ORS. The total cost came to well under $100. When it arrives, they’re going to repackage all the powders in foil-laminate bags with oxygen absorbers, but first Jen is going to use a scale to determine how much of each is needed by volume to make up each liter. As she says, they may not have a functioning scale when they need it, so they’ll label the bags with quantities of each component needed in teaspoons/tablespoons per liter. She also ordered a 100 gram bottle of KI, just in case. That took the total to just over $100.


11:01 – It occurs to me that I should have mentioned that Jen did not fully take my advice about buying bulk components for ORS. I actually recommended that she order them from Soapgoods, a vendor that we buy a lot of stuff from. They used to describe many of the chemicals they offered as “food grade” (FCC) or “USP”, but they discontinued doing that a couple years ago. Most of the items they sell start out as food-grade or USP, but they buy stuff by the trailer load and repackage it into smaller containers. Since their repackaging facility is not certified FCC or USP, they can’t legally describe the repackaged products as either FCC or USP. I told Jen that in my opinion it didn’t really matter, but she was more comfortable buying certified food-grade stuff. If she’d taken my advice, it would have cost noticeably less:

twelve pounds of glucose (dextrose) @ $15.18/6-lb = $30.36
two pounds of trisodium citrate dihydrate @ $3.70/lb = $7.40
one pound of potassium chloride @ $7.62 = $7.62

Or a grand total of $45.38 plus shipping, just over half of what Jen spent ordering all food grade stuff. The citrate salt is in fact the trisodium dihydrate form, which is important. (Sodium citrate, normally described just that way, may be the mono-, di-, or tri-sodium version, in various hydration states, all of which are used in foods, and the “tri” part is particularly important for ORS. The glucose (“dextrose”) sold by Soapgoods doesn’t specify hydration state. It may be anhydrous, but my strong guess is that it’s the dihydrate form.

I understand Jen’s decision. She’s not a chemist, and stuff that I’m comfortable juggling she probably isn’t. I don’t think she was particularly worried about the food-grade stuff from Soapgoods being contaminated. As I said, if she’s worried about it, she could just mix it up in boiling water, which’ll kill any biological contamination. I think it’s extremely unlikely that the product would be contaminated with other chemicals to any significant extent. But comfort level is important, and Jen was obviously more comfortable spending an extra $40 or so to get certified food-grade components.

74 Comments and discussion on "Thursday, 29 September 2016"

  1. DadCooks says:

    There was a commuter train crash in NJ this morning. I am going out on a limb and predicting that one or more mooslems are involved. There are just too many safeties that “failed” for this to be an accident.

    Watch the other hand.

  2. nick says:

    This is what happens when predators smell weakness:

    “Huma Abedin’s father claimed governments should uphold Sharia law and that Islamic institutions were the only ones acceptable in the Muslim world

    The late Syed Abedin talked about ‘The World of Islam’ for a 1971 television program on Western Michigan University television
    Abedin is the father of Hillary Clinton’s closest aide Huma, who made headlines for splitting with disgraced congressman Anthony Weiner
    The elder Abedin believed that governments should help citizens live by Sharia law and that Islamic institutions should approve cultural change”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3812693/Huma-Abedin-s-father-claimed-governments-uphold-Sharia-law-Islamic-institutions-ones-acceptable-Muslim-world.html

    “EXCLUSIVE: How talk of Bill Clinton’s post-presidency cheating – with a Canadian heiress, a divorced neighbor and actress Gina Gershon – led to Hillary’s decision to use her randy husband ‘sparingly’ in her campaign

    Bill and Hillary Clinton have lived largely separate lives, partly out of necessity and partly to keep Bill from overshadowing Hillary
    New book about the former president says he spent little time in Washington while she was Secretary of State
    Hillary only ventured to Chappaqua two weekends every month at most
    Clinton was also linked to Belinda Stronach, a divorced Canadian heiress and divorced neighbor Julie Tauber McMahon, dubbed ‘the energizer’
    Hillary and Bill found time to vacation together usually with good friends actors Mary Steenburgen and Ted Danson on Martha’s Vineyard”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3793018/How-talk-Bill-Clinton-s-post-presidency-cheating-Canadian-heiress-divorced-neighbor-actress-Gina-Gershon-led-Hillary-s-decision-use-randy-husband-sparingly-campaign.html

    Of course they’re WEAK predators, or they’d be going for it no matter what her strength. And they’re despicable, because in their fear and weakness they let her get away with murder.

    When she loses, expect a whole bunch of articles about things that “everyone knew” but no one bothered to report.

    nick

    added- this all by itself gives a good indication of the true state of affairs- people think they might survive articles like that.

  3. nick says:

    And apropos discussion of meds:

    “Pictured in his hospital bed: Man who was almost killed by an infected PAPER CUT that put him in a coma for three weeks

    Michael Berger, 46, was given a 50 percent chance of survival after his paper cut became infected
    He had developed sepsis, a toxic response to an infection in the cut
    Sepsis kills 258,000 Americans every year and can be tough to diagnose
    It must be caught quickly and be treated with antibiotics and IV fluids
    Berger was hospitalized at Kennedy Hospital in Cherry Hill, and was saved by its nationally-recognized Sepsis Program ”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3813899/New-Jersey-man-dies-paper-cut-developing-sepsis.html

    Selco has posted about people dying from infection from simple wounds. Outside of the hospital, and a massive amount of resources, this guy’s infection would have killed him. Post SHTF, he’s dead.

    nick

  4. Dave says:

    There was a commuter train crash in NJ this morning. I am going out on a limb and predicting that one or more mooslems are involved. There are just too many safeties that “failed” for this to be an accident.

    Not sure whether it’s a malicious act or just taking our aging infrastructure for granted.

  5. nick says:

    Had some discussion with our 5 and 7 year old last night about active shooters. Our district (and our preshool/daycare) practices intruder drills. Unfortunately they are still in a “lockdown” model, but that’s another issue. They lock the doors and crouch along the wall that has the door. Not very effective if you’re OUTSIDE of the classroom when the incident starts. This goes back to ‘fighting the last war’ and the problems with doctrine. Schools are prisons, and like the lockdown model. Doesn’t work in this real world case though for all the kids outside of classrooms. Doesn’t work in a terror attack like Beslan.

    Run – Hide – Fight does work.

    So that’s what we talked about. Run away from the bad guy. You already have permission. Don’t wait to be told. Don’t wait for teachers to lead or say ok. Don’t wait for friends. Tell them to come with and GO. If you can’t hide, then fight. You’re not fighting to win, you are fighting to escape. Hit and run, scream and yell, throw anything and RUN.

    “but but but” so many ‘but what’ s. NO. One simple rule. Run away from the shooter. (Run toward safety is the advice given adults and older kids in general, don’t want to go from pan to fire.) Run and keep running.

    Then we reviewed bleeding control. Until the response doctrine changes (at the cost of lives, and WELL PUBLICIZED cost at that) EMS is a LONG time coming. Bleeding control is critical to survival. Even kids understand direct pressure and elevation. So we reviewed that. “What about bleeding on legs (because you can’t raise them easily above the heart)”- direct pressure. Even if it hurts really bad, direct pressure to stop the bleeding. “Blood needs to stay inside Daddy.” “Right. Good girl.”

    Talk to your kids. Make sure they have the knowledge. Do it calmly and with the idea that knowing what to do gives them control. Kids like rules. They will be hearing about the attacks in the news, and at school. My oldest had already had a review in her music class that day, so she knew there had been an intruder at a school somewhere.

    Make sure your kids know what to do for a fire drill and for an intruder drill. Classes have just started back and the schools might not have that scheduled for a while. Talk to your kids’ teachers and admins about it. Get and read your school’s plan. Add your district’s frequencies to your scanner.

    Talk to your spouse about who goes to get the kids if there is an incident. Make sure your alternate caregivers are on the ‘authorized list’ for releasing your kids if you can’t get to them in a timely manner.

    It’s really unpleasant, but you have to do it.

    nick

  6. Dave says:

    Some time ago, I ordered a 50 pack of ORS from Amazon. They sent a 100 pack by mistake. I neglected to inform them of their mistake, since I figured it would cost more to ship it back to them and for them to ship the right thing back to me than the price difference. I don’t have salt and sugar stockpiled for the improvised ORS, but I am thinking of doing that.

    I assume that ORS whether the real deal or improvised tastes a little weird. So I’m planning on getting some decaffeinated tea bags to add some flavor to mask that. Decaffeinated, because the last thing a dehydrated person needs is caffeine. I also realize it can be consumed without any flavoring, but I figure making it tastes better means that more will be used.

  7. Ray Thompson says:

    I sub at the local high school. Doors to all classrooms are locked at all times. Small windows in the doors have a drop down cover in case of an incident so no one can see in the window. Instructions state to open the door for no one, not even law enforcement. Person entering must have a key to the door. In case of incident get everyone on the floor on the wall with the door. No one is to leave the room for any reason as that requires opening the door. Lights are to be turned off and kept off. Allow students to use cell phones to contact parents or authorities.

  8. Dave says:

    @nick,

    Thanks for the reminder. I still have to do a fire drill at home.

  9. Ray Thompson says:

    I assume that ORS whether the real deal or improvised tastes a little weird. So I’m planning on getting some decaffeinated tea bags to add some flavor to mask that

    Consider the concentrated liquid drink mixes such as MIO. Walmart store brand is also quite good and about 40% cheaper. Stuff is really strong and a small bottle can flavor one or two gallons depending on your taste. Put a drop of the stuff on your tongue and you will gag but diluted it really does work well in my opinion. Small bottles should store extremely well.

    I personally drink more water than I normally would by using the stuff. Adds a lot to the taste of water. Several flavors including tea which actually tastes like tea.

  10. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    The actual ORS formulation tastes about what you’d expect it to taste like: a salty, sugary flavor with an underlying tartness. It’s not disgusting, but I don’t think many people would choose to drink it instead of their favorite beverages.

    If you do need to make up field-expedient ORS, the plain salt+sugar solution is better than nothing, but it’s much more effective if you have the citrate and potassium salts on hand to add to it. I don’t know for an absolute fact, but I suspect that substituting table sugar (sucrose) for the glucose has little effect. Sucrose is a disaccharide that’s made up of one molecule each of glucose and fructose, and fructose is readily converted by the body into glucose. You do need to maintain osmolarity, and a molecule of sucrose masses about 1.9 times that of a molecule of glucose, so by weight you need to make up ORS with about 1.9 times as much sucrose as you’d use glucose.

  11. Denis says:

    “The glucose (“dextrose”) sold by Soapgoods doesn’t specify hydration state. It may be anhydrous, but my strong guess is that it’s the dihydrate form.”

    After reading yesterday’s journal post, I went looking on the local Amazon website for equivalents available here to the products on US Amazon to which RBT linked. I noticed that the vulgate names do not translate well, and that food-ish substances are rarely, if ever listed by their chemical formula. However, what does seem to provide a unique identifier is the “E” (food additive) number code. For example, if I search for “E331”, I get plenty of hits for food-grade “Trinatriumcitrat” in nice LTS mylar packaging.

    Robert, any chance you could mention the relevant “E numbers” in future, please?

  12. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    The problem is that the E-numbers are not always specific. With regard to sodium citrates, E331 refers to any of the three forms or to any mixture of them.

  13. Denis says:

    Hmm. Thanks. That would have been too easy. So how else might one go about getting the correct stuff?

  14. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    Well, the trinatriumcitrat you mentioned is definitely the trisodium form.

  15. pcb_duffer says:

    As to the taste of ORS solutions, I always assumed that’s what Gatorade is for. Buy the powdered form, mix it into five gallons of water along with the ORS, and Robert is an older male relative.

  16. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    Don’t do that. Mixing them totally screws up the osmolarities, which are important.

  17. MrAtoz says:

    Person entering must have a key to the door.

    Being a public school, I’m sure they have a “master key” hanging on the wall at the front desk with a big sign “MASTER KEY TO ALL ROOMS.” Please tell us that is not the case.

  18. DadCooks says:

    The news conference that is on the tube now is a joke. Nothing but pap. Bunch of talk about “positive train control”. The first part of “positive train control” is an experienced conscientious engineer who is not texting, getting a blow job, or playing games. The base problem is that today’s trains are being run by “conductors” not engineers. A whole lot of butt covering going on.

    I still stand by mooslem connection and it may be shown to be a hack of the electronic systems. Unfortunately I have no faith that the investigators are really investigating, rather just justifying a preconceived conclusion.

  19. lynn says:

    So is Deutsche Bank too big to fail ?
    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/29/pressure-seen-building-for-germany-to-rescue-deutsche-bank.html

    Shades of the fall of 2008 all over again. I would not depend on the ATM and credit card machines working in a week. I would have cash, food, water, and weapons in quantity at the domicile.

  20. lynn says:

    The first part of “positive train control” is an experienced conscientious engineer who is not texting

    I wonder if he / she was having a heart attack ? Or even a panic attack ? I am surprised that there were no controls to automatically slow and stop the train, especially since it was the end of the line.

  21. lynn says:

    _299 Days: The Community (Volume 3)_ by Glen Tate
    https://www.amazon.com/299-Days-Community-Glen-Tate/dp/061572096X/

    Book number three of a ten book financial apocalyptic series. I read the book in the POD (print on demand) trade paperback form. I think that the series has been capped at ten books. I have ordered the fourth and fifth books in the series and am reading the series interspersed with Jack Reacher books which was recently recommended to me.

    The Washington State government has slammed to a halt as the state financial picture crashes and then the federal government EBT cards fail to fund. The protestors in Olympia and Washington DC have torched the government area in those cities, effectively shutting the state and federal governments down.

    The writing was better than the first book which was kind of stilted. Maybe the author hired an editor. Or two.

    BTW, the 299 days author is quite the entrepreneur. He writes his books in 200+ page increments and sells them POD (print on demand) on Big River for $10 to $15 each. So if I buy the entire series, it will cost me around $140. And 70% of that goes into his pocket. Other authors would have made the series into 3 or 4 $15 books. Some people call that a ripoff, I call it maximizing your income.

    The author lives in very blue state, Washington state, and his writing reflects that. Everything that happens there is on the down low. I am also sympathetic to his writing about having to conceal his prepping from his very progressive wife. And his name is a pseudonym to conceal his identity from his employer.

    The 299 day author feels that the singularity is quite close. I disagree. I think that we have ten to twenty years before we get to reboot the financial system in the USA. But, I am assuming some linearity in the accumulation of federal debt. I may be dead wrong about that, I hope not. And the author has a website and blog.
    http://299days.com/

    My rating: 4 out of 5 stars
    Amazon rating: 4.5 out of 5 stars (327 reviews)

  22. DadCooks says:

    My son is a train buff and occasionally hangs out with some folks who work for or are retired from BNSF. The unions no longer have any power, they are totally in the bag with the gooberment. A lot of the old time safeties, like the deadman switch, are useless these days. There is way too much reliance on computers. People called it featherbedding, but there were real safety reasons for have a minimum of an Engineer, Brakeman, and a Conductor. On today’s trains, particularly commuter, there is no real Engineer, just a “Driver” who is nothing more than a Conductor he has some dirt on management. Often there is only one person responsible for the train, he/she/it is the “Driver”, Conductor, and Brakeman.

    There was a reason why Admiral Rickover would not allow computer control of Naval Nuclear Power Plants.

  23. Ray Thompson says:

    Please tell us that is not the case.

    It’s not. The principal, vice principal and the custodian have master keys. Teachers have keys to their rooms. Only entrance to the school is through the office and the door from the office to the rest of the school must be released from the front desk via a hidden button. Front office is also where the school resource office (a county LEO) sits (mostly watching YouTube videos on his phone). However, he is quite good at his job and would not hesitate to take down an unwanted cretin.

  24. SteveF says:

    Shades of the fall of 2008 all over again. I would not depend on the ATM and credit card machines working in a week. I would have cash, food, water, and weapons in quantity at the domicile.

    Ah. So that’s why the German govt recently advised its citizens subjects residents to have food and water on hand.

  25. SteveF says:

    Front office is also where the school resource office (a county LEO) sits (mostly watching YouTube videos on his phone). However, he is quite good at his job and would not hesitate to take down an unwanted cretin.

    To a first approximation, an adult man in a school building is a custodian or a cop. If you see a man in a school, shoot him first. Er, if you’re shooting up a school, that’s what you should do.

  26. Ray Thompson says:

    an adult man in a school building is a custodian or a cop

    Actually over half the teachers are males in the local high school.

  27. SteveF says:

    !!!???

    Unheard of in my experience, across four states (NY, NJ, MA, MN). In government schools, that is. I know of a Catholic (Jesuit, I think) and a couple of private schools where all or most of the faculty and staff are male.

  28. Ray Thompson says:

    Unheard of in my experience, across four states

    This is just the high school. Coaches for sports are males and also teachers. Shop teachers tend to be male. That skews the numbers towards males.

    However the elementary and middle schools are different stories. Almost totally female with the exception of two male teachers. All of them feel the way to solve issues is to sit down with crayons and color your emotions.

  29. DadCooks says:

    “Actually over half the teachers are males in the local high school.”

    In the pubic schools in my area the number of teachers who identify as male is less than 25%. Even many “boys” sports teams now have female(?) coaches. (No I didn’t misspell public 😉 )

  30. SteveF says:

    The elementary school that my daughter went to for kindergarten had two men in the building: the custodian and the security guard. (The latter was a joke: about a thousand years old, not a bodybuilder to judge by his physique, and unarmed.) ISTR the other five elementary schools in the district were the same. Jr high and high schools had a number of male teachers and administrators, that number being probably about a fifth as the number of women, including every administrator and department head in the jr high. And that sixth includes gym teachers, custodians, and security. I think it was an issue when a new superintendent was being selected, that the super had to be a woman, the better to represent the woman who made up the vast majority of the district’s employees. (I know that the issue was brought up, but don’t remember if it was for this district or the other one in this township.)

  31. nick says:

    Couple of gym teachers and a music teacher out of retirement to sub for the new mommy. That’s it for our little school. No “resource officer”. One custodian.

    It’s no wonder boys are having a hard time in school.

    n

  32. nick says:

    Re: Deutche bank,

    IIRC yesterday zerohedge had an article about why they couldn’t be bailed out– their derivative positions are bigger than the NET ASSETS OF ALL OF GERMANY.

    I asked my wife to move some cash home and she scoffed, “FDIC insured!” Well, so was my IRA money market acct in 2008 and that ended up frozen for 2 years.*

    Not what I want to happen to our ready cash.

    At least the house and vehicles are all paid for, insurance, tax, registrations, everything we can front load, we’re doing it.

    n

    *I know it’s not FDIC, but there is an equivalent for money market accts.

  33. lynn says:

    I asked my wife to move some cash home

    Better to ask forgiveness than ask permission.

  34. lynn says:

    But comfort level is important, and Jen was obviously more comfortable spending an extra $40 or so to get certified food-grade components.

    Me too. It is not the time to economize now. Yet.

    I should have quoted prices in the 299 Days volume 3 book. From off the top of my head:
    1. gasoline or diesel – $100/gal if you can find any
    2. bread – $20/loaf if you can find any
    3. milk – $20/gal if you can find any
    4. eggs – $3 ??? /egg if you can find any

  35. pcb_duffer says:

    [snip] Even many “boys” sports teams now have female(?) coaches. [snip]

    Pat Summit would be a better basketball coach than the men who are in charge at my local high schools. (For those who don’t follow the game / know, she was a tremendous coach at the college level, who passed away earlier this year.)

  36. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    “Me too. It is not the time to economize now. Yet.”

    So you’re not under any financial constraints? Must be nice.

  37. SteveF says:

    “Serious financial constraints” is all I know, and that’s likely to be the case as long as I’m married. I’ve been trying to get my wife to seriously misuse her medications in order to greatly reduce family expenses, but she’s been unreceptive of my suggestions.

    (For anyone staring aghast at their displays, don’t worry. I’d never actually try to convince someone to commit suici— OK, sorry, I can’t even tell that lie. I’d totally try to convince someone to kill himself, but only a useless oxygen thief. You know, 70% of the species. Maybe 90%.)

  38. lynn says:

    If I was not under financial constraints, I would buy this house:
    http://www.har.com/6302-Bridlewood-Dr/sale_99545314

    or this house:
    http://www.har.com/5810-Sagamore-Bay/sale_74030114

    Who doesn’t need a six car garage ?

    My masters are getting ready to extract $25K in property taxes from me before the end of the year. Now that is a financial constraint. The masters increased the value of my house by 4% earlier this year. They increased the value of my commercial property by 25%.

  39. lynn says:

    “In swipe at Trump, Clinton names Merkel as her favorite world leader”
    http://www.politico.eu/article/in-swipe-at-trump-clinton-names-merkel-as-her-favorite-world-leader/

    Why am I not surprised ?

  40. nick says:

    They tripled the value of my business property. I successfully fought it. I pointed out that even if it was gold bars it wouldn’t have tripled in value. So this year they’re trying again. And I’ll fight it again, and hopefully win again. But what a bunch of grifters.

    n

  41. SteveF says:

    So this year they’re trying again.

    Of course. There’s no penalty to them, personally or institutionally, for trying.

  42. nick says:

    While I was messing around with migration issues today I also spent some time playing radio.

    I hooked my spectrum analyzer up to my various antennas and looked at the result. It pretty well agrees with my ear when I A-B them on the radios. For listening, my vertical multiband is pretty much the same as the random long wire. There is a strange gap, just below 7Mhz where the wire gets very little signal. But the rest is similar levels.

    No reason not to throw a wire in a tree and get listening…

    n

  43. lynn says:

    “Me too. It is not the time to economize now. Yet.”

    So you’re not under any financial constraints? Must be nice.

    BTW, what I really meant was this is the time to keep on buying prepping stuff and stashing it away for the bad days when nothing will be affordable or available. But, I am a codesmith, not a wordsmith, and it constantly shows.

  44. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    Sure, within the bounds of reason and spousal tolerance.

    For example, the other day I suggested to Barbara, who was going to the bank, that it might make sense to pull out a grand in cash. What I really wanted to suggest was pulling out ten (or fifty) grand, but I knew how she’d react to that. And she’d actually have had a good point. Having that much cash lying around would just be asking for burglars or home invaders to come after it. So I’m thinking maybe we need to invest in long-lived, heavy tangibles like cast-iron stuff, anvils, etc.

    Oh, BTW, she didn’t bring home any cash at all.

  45. MrAtoz says:

    OK, sorry, I can’t even tell that lie.

    So, do we lose control of ICANN tonight or not?

    The innertubes go wonky tomorrow, I just might Fife myself. Don’t mess with my pixels!

  46. SteveF says:

    Not quite sure what that snippet of my earlier comment has to do with the rest of your comment, MrAtoz, unless you’re suggesting that every word out of the mouth of the piece of shit infesting the White House is a lie, including “and” and “the”.

  47. nick says:

    “Having that much cash lying around would just be asking for burglars or home invaders to come after it.”

    How would they know? Serious question. How would anyone know you had anything of value to steal? Having more doesn’t attract them unless you are foolish.

    Put some in a desk drawer so you can give it up if you have too, or so that a quick smash and grab finds that and stops looking. Envelop full of mostly 1s and some 20s to make it fat. Maybe couple hundred bucks max. You want enough they’ll believe you when you say it’s all you have. Since most people don’t have a pot to piss in, it should be believable.

    Put the rest in a couple of other places. Vac seal with a desiccant pack and staple into the rafters in the basement somewhere above a duct. Or put it in a cookie tin and set that on top of a duct. If SHTF and you need daily access move some to a more convenient place. Or put it in the attic under the insulation somewhere out of the way. The more inconvenient the better.

    Since I transitioned into the secondary economy and started using cash, I’ve noticed that people get weird about cash if they don’t handle it every day. No one knows you have it. It doesn’t have gravity, to draw them in. But people feel exactly that way. Try being the girl scout troop cookie mom. THAT’S a gig with huge piles of cash 🙂

    nick

  48. Ray Thompson says:

    It’s no wonder boys are having a hard time in school.

    Indeed. When I was in school if a couple of boys had a disagreement a meeting was convened after school in the gym with a couple of male teachers. Gloves were applied along with head gear. The coaches let them at each other keeping it safe. After about 20 minutes both were so tired they just basically quit. Disagreement settled and no more issues.

    Now the fembots send the boys to study hall with crayons and ask them to color their feelings while thinking about the hurtfulness of there words and actions. Then the fembots make the two boys hug and makeup. Never going to work.

    Pat Summit would be a better basketball coach than the men who are in charge at my local high schools.

    Pat Summit would be a better basketball coach than most of the men;s collegiate basketball coaches.

    I met her at a local HS basketball game, Webb high school. Her son Tyler was playing. A couple of cheerleaders asked for pictures with Pat. I asked Pat and she was very accommodating and quite nice about it. One time her son’s team came to the local HS game. Pat got there early and the girls were still playing. Pat had to stand outside and wait until the girls game was over because of NCAA rules that did not allow her to attend HS games where there might be a candidate. She was a great coach and a classy person.

  49. Dave Hardy says:

    Kinda intense meeting w/vets group today; two guys being dicks until one left in sort of a huff, and the other kept yammering. The consensus is we don’t get into politics or religion and it started to drift that way. I know that I’m WAY to the right of the rest of them and probably the only Roman Catholic, let alone traditionalist Latin Rite RC. So I just keep all that chit to myself. They do know, however, that I’m a gun nut and ex-cop.

    Our ex-jarhead continues his life in utter turmoil, with his oldest son a junkie and six ex-wives and a wacky daughter who wants to pick up and move up here with her kids with no job or housing arranged in advance.

    Another guy, who I worry about a lot, because he is SO depressed; now having heart troubles and potential serious issues with that, and his well has gone dry, along with those of two of his neighbors, while the third neighbor is all set, having just drilled a 600-foot gusher for himself, in a declining water table and not much for rain here all summer, with the lake down at least three feet. What’s odd is that everything is still green and I gotta mow the lawn or have the kid do it every week, grows like a jungle back there.

    Once the bullshit was done, we had some very serious discussion and then I did another half-hour one-on-one with our former Army door gunner/peer support specialist, who is kind of a Buddhist nowadays.

    All in all, a trying afternoon.

    Home again, home again, jiggety-jog, to wife not feeling well and then vomiting, and then coughing herself to sleep.

    And she has three week-long gigs in a row this next month, in Colorado, CT and the infamous capital district of the Vampire State. Another one in late November/early December and then I’m not sure after that.

    I hope to be slaving again in a Global Foundry data center by then and bringing in more revenue for the tax thieves and parasites and helping to pay for Princess’s last? year of college and probably more European tours and car repairs.

    I also hope to get my back and sciatica fixed in the next couple of weeks, so have an MRI and X-rays scheduled at the VA next week and probably shots after that. I have a backlog of chit to take care of here at the house, plus the potential job coming up.

    Sleeping in the recliner for the past week down in the living room; impossible to lie flat in our bed, which sucks.

    Pax vobiscum

  50. SteveF says:

    Forgot to mention earlier, Dave, congrats and/or good luck re jobs.

    re last year of college: uh, yah, right. You sure can count on that.

  51. MrAtoz says:

    Pax vobiscum

    Hang in there, buddy. That back is gonna get better. MrsAtoz has been on the road most of this year. If she didn’t love helping her peeps, she’d cut way down. She had her own MRI done a month ago. Arthritis all over. She says her ADHD lets her work right past it. For now. Old Man Time is creeping up. Me, too. I’m losing my hair. Wait, that was going in my 30’s lol! Probably that flight helmet. Read your Bible and get some sleep on the couch.

  52. nick says:

    hah, listening to Radio Catolico Del Mundo, La Luz de la Luna.

    Good shortwave dx tonight.

    n

  53. nick says:

    Sounds like a long trying day. Hope your wife doesn’t have what I got. I thought it was food poisoning, but it sure lingered.

    Felt mostly normal today, but the ol bean is still not right.

    Better tomorrow, better after that.

    At least we finally got a break from the heat. Currently only 92 and 34%. Feels cool out.

    nick

  54. MrAtoz says:

    Turns out the guy killed in El Cajon was a real fukstik from Uganda. Authorities tried to deport him but “couldn’t get travel docs from Uganda”?! Drop him from a C141. Problem solved. Well, the police did for cheaper. A convict several times over.

  55. MrAtoz says:

    GOP crumbles on every budget item the Dumbocrats wanted. We are now paying for abortions, Flint’s water, men washing their balls in the ladies room and amnesty. Useless party. Conservative, no. Take Ryan out and shoot him.

  56. Greg Norton says:

    My masters are getting ready to extract $25K in property taxes from me before the end of the year. Now that is a financial constraint. The masters increased the value of my house by 4% earlier this year. They increased the value of my commercial property by 25%.

    The big downside of Texas is the property tax situation. Still, I’ll take it over income tax.

    We never bought a home during our sentence -er- stay in WA State. FL has a cap on increases in assessed value of homesteaded property, but the last minor change to the statute engineered by the politicians may have resulted the whole law being unconstitutional.

    I’m sure they meant well.

  57. Greg Norton says:

    I know it’s not FDIC, but there is an equivalent for money market accts.

    There have been some funny court rulings and SEC rule changes recently that make me wonder about that. You may want to check on your particular fund.

  58. brad says:

    @lynn/@nick: It’s such an easy way to raise taxes, without increasing tax rates: just “declare” that everyone’s property has increased in value. If there ever was an argument against property taxes, this is it, because fighting decisions like that is often impossible.

    I expect we’ll have that here sooner or later – our little town is so deep in the red it’s crazy. So they just spent another $2 million they don’t have, to buy a nicer town hall. They can get away with this for exactly as long as interest rates are basically zero.

    We’re planning to move in a couple of years, basically, when the kids are out of the house (the youngest just started college). I hope we’re gone before interest rates go up, because that’s when they’ll start playing stupid games – like with the property taxes.

  59. nick says:

    Yep, people complain about the property taxes but, *cough* Cali, MA, CT *cough* all have property tax AND income tax. Many years we get our sales tax back on our federal income tax, since most states get their state tax back….

    In other words, I wouldn’t trade TX taxes for Cali taxes. OR MA, CT, NY

    nick

  60. pcb_duffer says:

    I met Coach Summit several times. She used to vacation here in the summer, and played golf at my home club. Great coach, and by all accounts a great person.

  61. JimL says:

    Does the C141 even exist anymore? I thought it was replaced by the C17?

    C130 – long may she reign!

  62. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    A quick Wikipedia check says that the C-141 was last manufactured in 1968 and was retired in 2006. It looks like the C-17 is in fact its replacement. But the C-130 is still in service, still being produced, and has had 10 times as many units produced as the C-141 or the C-17. Looking at the unit costs of the C-130 and C-17, that’s easy to understand. You can buy at least 10 C-130’s for the cost of one C-17, if not twenty.

  63. DadCooks says:

    So my wife gets a bill from the Radiologist that read her shoulder x-ray more than 3-months ago. Her injury is work related, L&I paying for it all. When my daughter got home last night and saw how distraught my wife was she took a look at the bill and hit the ceiling. Long story short and I don’t understand the details, but that bill broke some WA State L&I laws. My daughter is going to use her inside knowledge and contacts to get that Radiologist in trouble with WA State, no debate, she says the case is clear. Just points up how the “system” is preying on a public that they hope is uninformed.

    I would say from the text I got from my daughter this morning that that Radiologist is going to have a very very bad day. (Bad enough he missed the break in the shoulder that was found in a later MRI read by another Radiologist. This second Radiologist also looked at the original x-ray, before reading the MRI, and saw the break that the first Radiologist didn’t.)

  64. MrAtoz says:

    What a perfect use for mothballed C141’s One way crimmigrant trips back to whatever shithole they came from. Two pilots who bail out at the end.

  65. DadCooks says:

    “Two pilots who bail out at the end.

    Don’t need pilots, just modify a drone control system.

    Or this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQbj9uvYL8I

  66. MrAtoz says:

    lol! Airplane(s) was a classic.

  67. lynn says:

    @lynn/@nick: It’s such an easy way to raise taxes, without increasing tax rates: just “declare” that everyone’s property has increased in value. If there ever was an argument against property taxes, this is it, because fighting decisions like that is often impossible.

    Yes, Texas counties are well versed in raising property values. We actually have CADs (county appraisal districts) that are run by a board. The 17 ??? member CAD board is appointed by the county judge, the school districts in the county, and the cities in the county. There is a serious effort to make these boards elected, I am in favor of this, the county governments are not. You can lookup all of my properties here.
    http://fbcad.org/

  68. dkreck says:

    Don’t forget California fixed that problem (mostly) with Proposition 13. Of course we now get the highest state income tax and bond measures up the wazoo.

  69. DadCooks says:

    WRT property taxes:

    In Benton County all property is revalued every year, by computer, based on “like” value of property sales. We just happen to have the fastest growing property values in the country, trying to catch up with the prices in CA.

    So we get a double whammy, taxes go up because property values go up and then the county takes the no-vote 1% increase. Property taxes have been rising 4% to 10% per year with no human action required.

  70. lynn says:

    Don’t forget California fixed that problem (mostly) with Proposition 13. Of course we now get the highest state income tax and bond measures up the wazoo.

    At least we ain’t got no personal income tax in The Great State of Texas. Yet.

    I sense an ill wind blowing.

  71. lynn says:

    Don’t forget California fixed that problem (mostly) with Proposition 13. Of course we now get the highest state income tax and bond measures up the wazoo.

    Don’t worry, only the rich people will pay for all of those.

  72. MrAtoz says:

    I sense an ill wind blowing.

    Ditto NV.

    You can’t own property, only rent it from the gooberment. I have no problem paying for resources delivered to my property, but paying taxes just to expand gooberment sucks dead bunnies. The poor douches along the CA coastline are being taxed right out of their property. Again, you can’t own property because of gooberment.

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