Saturday, 3 December 2016

By on December 3rd, 2016 in news, politics

09:40 – I think it’s funny to watch the progressives panic. Their latest campaign seems to be an all-out attack on “fake news sites”, which ironically are the sites that are reporting truthfully. And the attacks are being made by the actual fake-news sites like CNN, AP, NYT/WP, and ABC/CBS/FOX/NBC/PBS. Those traditional “news” sites have completely destroyed their credibility with the American public, and are now in flat-out panic mode. What a bunch of progressive scum. It’s nice to see them getting what they deserve. Well, not what they deserve. That would be seeing them hanging from lamp posts. But at least seeing their lies starting to catch up with them.

Another lurker has begun posting comments. Welcome to Eugen (Romania). It’s always interesting to hear what folks from outside the US think about things. The first time I ever had extensive face-to-face contact with anyone from eastern Europe was in 1981. I was dating Lee Bowie, a girl who went to Clemson University, and driving down from Winston frequently to spend weekends with her. She rented a house, and her housemates were two girls from Poland, Cassia and Goga. Their take on the US was fascinating. They were actually afraid of uniformed cops, which I guess was understandable. Just as we’d all grown up watching TV and movies about nasty Soviet spies being foiled by heroic CIA agents, they’d grown up watching nasty American spies being foiled by heroic KGB agents. They were scared to death of the US military and nuclear forces, just as we were scared to death of the Russian military and nuclear forces. They were just normal people, and quickly came to realize that we were just normal people as well. I think all of us quickly realized that they were afraid of our government and we were afraid of theirs, both with good cause.

The only real difference between us was that we were used to plenty and they were used to shortages. The first time I visited Lee in her new rented house, I carried in my bottle of Coke from my Jeep and opened her freezer to stick it in and rechill it. It wouldn’t fit in the freezer, which was literally crammed full of frozen pizzas. Lee explained that Cassia and Goga had discovered supermarkets. In Poland, they’d had to stand in line for food and take whatever was on offer. They couldn’t believe that in the US they could just walk into a supermarket and carry off as much as they wanted of whatever they wanted. We had some interesting discussions after that about the relative efficiency of capitalism and free markets versus socialism and a command economy.


47 Comments and discussion on "Saturday, 3 December 2016"

  1. SteveF says:

    But capitalism is not perfect and without flaw, so it’s not really any better than any other system!
    — every frustrated socialist everywhere

  2. MrAtoz says:

    tRump should buy this mini tank for defense purposes. He could deploy it to all the horrible hotspots around the world. Like Los Angeles, NYC, Chicongo. Detroit already has ED209.

    Cold and clear in Vegas this morning. Hell must have frozen over. Thanks, Lucifer!

  3. Miles_Teg says:

    Watch this, if you dare. A circa 1990 grocery store in Moscow… šŸ™

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWTGsUyv8IE

  4. Miles_Teg says:

    Over at liberal central…

    Jerry Coyne and his disciples have their knickers in a knott over Trump. The guy hasn’t done anything yet, but the boycott and “non-violent protest” calls have begun, led by a musloid ex-basketball player.

    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: What we must boycott in the Trump era

    https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2016/12/02/kareem-abdul-jabbar-what-we-must-boycott-in-the-trump-era/

  5. MrAtoz says:

    Over at liberal centralā€¦

    All of “Kareem’s” suggestions are exactly why Cankles is a withering, dessicated, corpse. The Progs will never understand it. “It’s our way or the highway!” “There is no room for any ideas but ours!” Yeah, tRump isn’t even President yet, but the Progs are screeching racist, xenophobe, etc. All proven wrong over and over. It won’t work.

  6. SteveF says:

    Kicking our feet and crying isn’t working!

    We have to kick and cry harder!

  7. Miles_Teg says:

    “NO Steve, please! Thast’s not what I expected when you promised me some weiner.”

    https://whyevolutionistrue.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/istock_67732931_medium__800x0_q85_crop.jpg

  8. Dave Hardy says:

    “Their latest campaign seems to be an all-out attack on ā€œfake news sitesā€, which ironically are the sites that are reporting truthfully.”

    Yes, of course, because that is what lefties and progs DO. Accuse you of doing what THEY’RE doing. So, for example, if I’m beating you up and calling you bad names and robbing you, I accuse YOU of doing that to ME. That’s how it works. It’s called “projection.”

    And their other main tactic is to double-down on failure; if something doesn’t work, why, we must do MORE of it, until it does work. It’s what they’ve done with elections in Europe and countless other of their programs, innovations, projects and novelties, and incidentally those were all bad words to the 18th-C major writers and poets, for good reason, too. Swift and Pope decimated that stuff back then.

    So here in the U.S. if tRump manages somehow to keep a large manufacturer from moving its plant and operations to Mexico, he’s accused of destroying the economy and jobs. If he talks to the head guy in Taiwan, he’s starting a nukular war with Red China. If those accusations aren’t working via the MSM, why, make even more of them! Double-down!

    Mr. SteveF nails it:

    Kicking our feet and crying isnā€™t working!

    We have to kick and cry harder!

  9. Nick Flandrey says:

    It’s the “look at me” and ‘stampy feet’ generation, and it’s spreading to the adults too.

    n

  10. Dave Hardy says:

    Yeah, it’s infected countless adults by now, and most of them congregate in their little online yak-fests on FaceCrack and other “social media” sites with their pixels and metal piercings and multiple tattoos. “Hey, look at ME, ME, ME!”

    The Daily Mail has the story on the nasty Oakland fire in some funky old warehouse running an overnight “rave” thing; ten confirmed dead and many more missing, probably lots of dead bodies on the second floor. Lots of pics and then more pics of the missing. I don’t wish nasty fire deaths on anyone but those are pics of the “look at me” generation.

  11. Nick Flandrey says:

    Funny you should say so, but I was thinking the same thing. Those are some sour and pretentious looking freaks.

    Turns out it’s an “artist live/work” kind of a space. Bet it isn’t officially approved for residence, and certainly not rental without hardwired smoke detectors. I’m also betting there were more than 100 people there, and there weren’t any event professionals involved.

    Live event production as an industry has been forced to increase safety awareness and planning by orders of magnitude, to the point where they now have a training program in it, adopted best practices, and staff dedicated to the job (not security- that’s a different gig.)

    “Deathtrap” as a headline is right.

    and any bets on how many of the attendees were in an altered state?

    nick

  12. CowboySlim says:

    Hey, what’s this special needs guy yapping about kareem abdul muhaamed salim jabbar?

    yapping boycott, how special needs is that? everytime politicians drive gas up $2/gallon, the idiot lefties scream boycott? well, maybe another 1,000 attempts and it will succeed finally.

    Hey, I’ve always been PC; consequently, I can no longer use “retarded”, they are now special needs.

  13. Dave Hardy says:

    “…and any bets on how many of the attendees were in an altered state?”

    Nope, not here. I’m so fah behind the “altered state” curve now, it’s laughable. My drugs way back in the day were pot and acid. I’m talking late 1960s as a teenager. And I went home every night for supper or my buddy’s house for supper, ’cause his mom worked part-time at an Italian restaurant/bar and she cooked up Italian dinners for us. We’d be wrecked on pot and beer and sometimes acid and nobody noticed. I was tripping my brains out at home suppers and no one noticed there, either, apparently. Makes me wonder what my “normal” state looked like then.

    “I can no longer use ā€œretardedā€, they are now special needs.”

    I have special needs, i.e., glasses and hearing aids. Also I need my Moxie or Dr Pepper and stick pretzels. And the televised NFL season, I need that, too. Also a warm place to crap and comfortable shoes, amirite?

    Kareem and the other celebs can go piss up a rope; boycott THIS.

  14. Nick Flandrey says:

    So far today the daddy has fixed 4 ornaments and one piece of train track.

    Super glue, it’s what’s for breakfast.

    n

  15. SteveF says:

    What do you call ten Special Snowflakes with no marketable skills dying in a fire?

    A good start.

  16. Eugen (Romania) says:

    I remember staying in line at 6 AM to buy milk. I was like 7yo, my father was waking up us, me or/and another brother. With empty milk bottles, we would go out to the 20-25 meter line outside of the store. It was dark and chilly. Sometimes, the truck bringing the milk was late. When our turn arrived, we would give the empty bottles, but we could only buy one or two liters per person. That’s way, we the kids, were there.

    Then my father would go up in the appartment with the milk, and come back to the line, where we were waiting again at the end of it, so we could buy more milk. Our family of six (4 sons) needed more. Sometimes the milk ran out before we could buy it (1st or 2nd time).

    Then, in our kitchen, we would have one or two pots full with milk on the stove. I can remember the smell of hot milk all over the place. We would take slides of bread and put them as pieces in the plates, and pour over the hot milk. Very tasty with a pinch of salt. Or we could have the slide of bread with something on it, and drink the milk or cacao from the cup. Then the parents would take some of us to the kindergarden and go to work, and some of us would walk to the school.

    There were periods when the bread was more rationed, this time using tabs. You could not stay in line for more, but you didn’t need to bring your kids with you.

    In my ten years under the comunism regime, we always had something to eat. So did everybody I knew. It was not much, but it was nothing like starvation. Later I found out the reason for all this, that Ceausescu decided to pay the country debt, and much part of its products would go to export. He did pay all of it, but with harsh conditions for the people.

    http://countryeconomy.com/national-debt/romania

    However we did had a hard time, a few years after the revolution from 1989. The country was in control of the old crooks that quickly saw the oportunities to get rich by predating what they can. Difficult times for Romania. Our family had to repeately borrow money from my uncles…

    EDIT: Sometimes I also get amazed about our supermarkets. Full of everything, and from everywhere. It’s just unbelievable. And the big stores (hardware stores) with a lot of products. I look at some of them and try to image what they are used for. Who makes them? How come that some of them are so cheap?

  17. Dave says:

    I found it interesting that I could not access zero hedge using the public library’s wi-fi because of profanity. I live in a small town in a red state, and the only local election that matters is the Republican primary.

  18. SteveF says:

    So, I’m, ah, conflicted. My daughter was just singing along with a song (and singing atrociously; the kid can’t carry a tune in a bucket) and mangling a good chunk of the lyrics, as is not uncommon. I’m familiar with the song and know the words she’s garbling. Part of the refrain obliquely points out the utility of oral sex in keeping a relationship healthy. I’m sure the nine-year-old has no idea of what she’s singing, and likely wouldn’t even if she were getting the words right, not unless someone pointed it out.

    Hence the conflict: Should I correct the lyrics my kid is singing before some older girl smirkingly does so? Leave it be? Hunt down the song’s performer and smite her? -sigh- None of this was covered in Parenting 101. (Or so I surmise. I kind of blew off the class because it conflicted with the Freaking People Out With Just Your Facial Expressions seminar.)

    (I’m not actually looking for advice on this. I’m going to leave it be, not correct her lyrics, and figure she’ll start singing some other song before long. I’m just complaining here.)

  19. Nick Flandrey says:

    Well, I’ll give some advice anyway…

    Kidzbop.

    Kids singing bowderized versions of all the pop hits. Pretty good sounding too, without the objectionable lyrics.

    Available online, and on some XM plans.

    I hate the idea of cleaning up lyrics from an artistic point of view, but MUCH BETTER than my 7yo singing about blowing her man….

    n

  20. Dave Hardy says:

    Gee whiz, I haven’t run across that sorta thing before; as kids, my wife and I bowdlerized a bunch of traditional songs and carols, with my wife and her cousins being particularly talented at it. Nothing like that, though. I’d just leave it be, too; it’s unfortunately part of kids’ socialization and education nowadays and will pass away at some point, probably for even worse chit, and then they grow up.

    Regarding Mr. Eugen’s experiences under both communism and a regime run by the national nomenklatura, as in Russia, too; that must have sucked, but as kids maybe it came across as just the natural order of things and not too bad or good either way, just something to deal with. I never had to go through stuff like that but my grandparents weren’t so well off as kids and had some hard times, and this would have been a century ago, now that I think of it. Yikes. My paternal grandpa was born in 1894 and his wife in 1900.

  21. Nick Flandrey says:

    They are very successful, with over 30 albums out…

    lotsa money to be made cleaning up pop music.

    n

  22. Nick Flandrey says:

    Speaking of pop music, there’s a whole decade’s worth that is pretty much unobtainable. You can’t play it on radio, you can’t sell it….

    I’m referring to the decade of rap that was composed of samples, and was retroactively made illegal by a court determination that the original artist of the sample was owed royalties. Since many if not most of those works are composed of unknown (and now unknowable) samples, sometime hundreds of them, and it’s impossible to know who is supposed to get paid, they are essentially banned.

    Now rap from that era wasn’t my favorite style of music, but it was an important part of the history of pop music. (and politics wrt Tipper Gore and warning labels, and a judge in Florida determining that 2liveCrew’s song had no artistic merit and therefore could be banned as obscene.) Wonder what he’d do now with today’s gangster rap?

    I object to the removal of history aspect.

    n

    ADDED- if you know what to search for, you can find it on youtube, even if it’s illegal.

  23. Dave Hardy says:

    I say good riddance to all that, but I’m conflicted by the history hole. And today’s chit is much worse.

    Yes, the Toob has lotsa stuff, and they can’t or don’t always police copyright stuff.

    And then there’s the Dark Net. Oooooooooohhhhhhh nooooooooo!

  24. Nick Flandrey says:

    Perhaps Trump needs to go old skool for his theme song?

    “Pop that p#ssy” – 2 Live Crew

    autoplay, NSFW, language and mature themes!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKyHcvto1bM

    nick

    NB- 2 Live Crew was famous for “Me So Horny” which you might have heard.

  25. ech says:

    Their take on the US was fascinating. They were actually afraid of uniformed cops, which I guess was understandable,

    We had a nanny from Columbia for a while in the 80s. She came back from a day off very worried. She had been at one of the major bus interchanges (Main at Elgin, for you that know Houston) and there was someone from the Socialist Worker’s Party (i.e. Communists) handing out literature. She stayed away from them and was afraid that the police were going to come and get her. I assured her that she was in no danger and explained the right to free speech here in the US. She was very relieved.

    Their latest campaign seems to be an all-out attack on ā€œfake news sitesā€, which ironically are the sites that are reporting truthfully.

    Not all of them do. Several cited here have been pushing Russian propaganda.

    Remember a while back a flap about US planes painted in Russian camo? Supposedly being prepped to do false flag attacks in Syria? Actually, those were the planes used in training by the Air Force probably in the Red Flag operations that they have been doing since 1975. That’s the kind of stuff they push.

  26. Nick Flandrey says:

    “Remember a while back a flap about US planes painted in Russian camo? Supposedly being prepped to do false flag attacks in Syria? Actually, those were the planes used in training by the Air Force probably in the Red Flag operations that they have been doing since 1975. Thatā€™s the kind of stuff they push.”

    But how is that russian propaganda? (I don’t remember the article)

    Most of the “fake stories” that were cited in the original article were ones I’d never heard of or seen. I think that’s because I don’t use facebook, where a meme can outrun the truth. I can’t remember seeing any of the stories, now that I think about it…

    nick

  27. Rolf Grunsky says:

    Americans who have never lived outside of the US have no idea how the rest of the world lives. I haven’t been to the States since August of 2001 so I don’t know what has changed but I was always astounded by sheer volume of choice in an ordinary supermarket.

    We hardly suffer from shortages of anything in Canada (except for intelligence in our politicians) but I was always astounded by length of the supermarket shelves devoted just to cereal. There were probably twice as many products available in average store than there are here in Toronto. This was probably true for most other products, it’s just that I remember the cereal aisle. My US sample was from Dearborn where my aunt lived.

    For the most part, food was somewhat less expensive than it was in Toronto. Overall, I think North America has the least expensive food in the world.

    I worked with a woman from Romania in the ’70s and she described the conditions there. She told me how all the produce was for export and consequently there were always shortages and high prices. At the same time I could buy jams made in Romania and Bulgaria in most of the shops here. Generally, they were very good and cheaper than the domestic products. Some of them are still available but the prices have gone up, sometimes quite a bit, and for some the quality has dropped. A win for the citizens of those countries perhaps at the expense of their markets.

  28. Spook says:

    Check Drudge or Zerohedge for info on the fire in Cambridge, MA.

  29. Dave Hardy says:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/firefighters-battle-10-alarm-blaze-cambridge-massachusetts/

    Lotta fires around the country lately, seems kinda odd; major fires in Israel, too, with musloids caught setting some of them, on video cams.

    One wonders what else might be going in the cities where these are taking place and fire and police and EMS services are diverted. Or maybe I’m just a paranoid old imbecile.

  30. MrAtoz says:

    NYT: Kankles Klinton folk hero!

    lol!

  31. ech says:

    But how is that russian propaganda? (I donā€™t remember the article)

    The image was picked up off of twitter. Suddenly, it nearly simultaneously appeared on a bunch of websites, blogs, and twitter feeds with near identical stories attached. Some of the sites were openly Russian websites. Some were part of this network of pro-Russian sites, but try to appear as US run sites with the “real scoop” on what is happening. Some may well just be, in USSR terms, “useful idiots” that grab content from Russian feeders.

    It’s real – there appears to be a Russian op to create stories that reflect negatively on the US. They started out with overt sites – Russia Today (and their cable network). They then deployed their army of paid commenters and sock puppets to hit sites with comment areas, like Strategy Page. They have stepped up to an interlocking group of web sites, twitter feeds, and blogs that promote this content, with the side effect of driving ad revenue and Amazon affiliate payments. And Wikileaks is part of it, though their content is probably real – nobody has stepped up to deny the emails are real – but is probably the fruit of state-sponsored hacking.

  32. Nick Flandrey says:

    “nobody has stepped up to deny the emails are real” that’s the thing that most struck me. NOT ONCE did anyone say, “these aren’t our emails, we didn’t say that.” Someone online speculated that it was because they don’t want to face charges of denying them when they are in fact real, or being in a position of lying to investigators.

    Anyway, most sites I don’t read comments at all, except to get a feel occasionally for the zeitgeist. Very few exceptions where the comments are as good as the posts… here being one.

    n

    I really can’t see why the russians would bother trying to make the US gov’t look bad, they seem to have no trouble doing that themselves.

  33. Nick Flandrey says:

    Here’s an example of why this shit has to stop:

    “the remarkable story of a young, anonymous Mexican illegal immigrant who was identified after spending 16 years on life support in a San Diego hospital.”

    “His medical care, which cost $700 a day, was subsidized by the state of California through its Medi-Cal program, which provides health care to its poorest citizens.

    “When Border Patrol ran the prints into their system, they saw a match with one man who was arrested for illegally entering the country just a few months before the car accident.”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3997932/Remarkable-story-Mexican-illegal-immigrant-remained-anonymous-16-years-identified-Border-Patrol-s-fingerprint-database-case-generated-Facebook.html

    This ONE GUY cost CA taxpayers over $4MILLION. A cash cow for the care facility, NO ONE BOTHERED to check his FUKCING FINGERPRINTS for 16 years. And when they finally did, he’s a repeat offender.

    16 years and $4M on a repeat criminal. Think he’s the only one?

    Meanwhile vets die waiting for care. CITIZENS get denied care, while this guy sucks up money like a sponge. God DAMN that pisses me off.

    nick

    added- went to see what the feel of the comments on the article were and I find 0 comments, with this “We are no longer accepting comments on this article.” Yeah, I bet the hate and vitriol violated your comment policy, didn’t it.

  34. Eugen (Romania) says:

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/567184/grand-tour-jeremy-clarkson-romanian-joke-richard-hammond-james-may

    “Clarkson closes by saying: ā€œBritish engineering ladies and gentleman ā€“ with Romanian parts.ā€

    “But Clarkson, 56, rapped in the past for remarks about gypsies and Asians, said it gave the Romanian ā€œdignityā€.”

    What an asshole. And that’s is an Amazon show?? Hmm… I’m just going to delete my account there..

    ADDED: I tried to see it in a funny way. But no, I didn’t got it. (but I didn’t saw the video either – browser problems or so).
    Took a while to figure out how to close the account (on amazon.de). They really buried down the option inside their Help system. And that option allowed me to send them an email requesting account deletion…

  35. SteveF says:

    Great news, everybody! We’re all gonna die! This is great because Climate Change is going to kill us all and there’s nothing we can do about it, so there’s no need to try to cut back on emissions, recycle, or allow your annoying neighbor to continue breathing. Cut loose, everyone! Do whatever you want, because we’re all gonna die no matter what!

    And if you can’t believe a US biology professor when he talks on a New Zealand show, whom can you believe?

  36. Dave Hardy says:

    “I really canā€™t see why the russians would bother trying to make the US govā€™t look bad, they seem to have no trouble doing that themselves.”

    No chit, hombre. Maybe it’s just for practice and training purposes.

    “Meanwhile vets die waiting for care. CITIZENS get denied care, while this guy sucks up money like a sponge. God DAMN that pisses me off.”

    As y’all know, I have regular personal contacts with a bunch of COMBAT vets, from all branches of the armed forces, and if you think Mr. Nick is pissed off, you ought to get a load of these guys. And I mean guys that are Korean, Second Indochina War and Gulf War I vets. Those are the people I see regularly; the younger guys than that? Vets of subsequent Gulf wars and other conflicts around the world? They’re so pissed off I rarely see them at all; they won’t come in to VA stuff or have any contact with government if they can help it. They are EXTREMELY pissed off and too many of them are still prone to anger outbursts and violence. I basically just steam all day when I hear about stuff like that and I can predict that there will be a reckoning someday.

    “I tried to see it in a funny way. But no, I didnā€™t got it.”

    I got it, alright, and it wasn’t funny at all. And these are professional comedians?? Why don’t they take on the ruling power elites instead of Asians, Romanians, etc.? No balls for that, probably.

    “Cut loose, everyone! Do whatever you want, because weā€™re all gonna die no matter what!”

    I pretty much do already anyway. Wife still keeps trying to separate chit for the weekly dump runs and I just toss it all into the trash bin, except for really obvious stuff like dead printers, tires, chit like that. Again, these are people who never give up and never stop; they are gonna keep flogging that warmist bullshit forever, apparently, despite the evidence of our eyes and ears. Amazing. And even if they are right, so what? Longer growing seasons, lower heating bills, and the absolutely wonderful bonus of most of the coastal big cities going underwater and good riddance.

  37. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    My rule was always to believe the worst each side had to say about the other.

  38. Dave Hardy says:

    “My rule was always to believe the worst each side had to say about the other.”

    That’s a good rule. Except that we’re better, of course, the Exceptional Nation, for whom no ordinary strictures of history and geography and economics and finance apply.

    But I remember the old days, of course, when we were running dog lackeys of imperialism and they were the evil empire, etc., etc., etc.

    We spy on them and they spy on us, and we try to disrupt their chit around the world and they do likewise to us. BFD. And now we can have even more fun doing it with the Chicoms.

  39. MrAtoz says:

    Cut loose, everyone! Do whatever you want, because weā€™re all gonna die no matter what!

    This guy is brilliant! An obvious plant by the alt-right. What better way to destroy the Climate Change Church than to say “there’s nothing we can do about it.” He probably gets direct death-tweets from The Goracle himself: “Stop cutting into my $$ biotch!”

  40. Eugen (Romania) says:

    There are devices like this
    http://www.ariston.com/uk/NUOS/nuos

    ‘air source heat pumps’. They capture heat from outside air and use it to heat water. I find them fascinating devices, as the air temp can be as low as -5C (23F). And they “only uses 1/3 of the electric energy necessary to heat water compared to a traditional water heater.” The rest comes from the air! (or soil, or water for other variants).

    In Romania, they qualify for subvention programs that encourage usage of devices that use regenerable energies. Funds are modest and quickly run out. I think it’s part of EU policies/programs. But natural gas is still cheaper to use, and extermely widely so.

    And if we’ll head to a new Ice Age, they will be probably ban, as they makes the air cooler outside. That will be funny!

    I think we are in a global warming phase, proved enough for me, by the decline of the Artic sea ice :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_sea_ice_decline
    “For January 2016, the satellite based data showed the lowest overall Arctic sea ice extent of any January since records begun in 1979. ”

    Heey.. that’s my birth year (1979). Maybe I did something wrong šŸ™‚ .

    Do we also contribute to that? It seems so. But even if not, I don’t think it hurts to trying to slow it down. And smart things come up, like the device mentioned.

    And when the ice cap would start increasing again, I think we already know how to slow it down.

  41. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    We should be doing everything possible to increase global temperatures, including dusting polar ice with carbon. A warmer climate is benign. We’re overdue for another ice age, which would be a near extinction event for our species. Ice ages begin very suddenly. One day it’ll be warm and sunny in Miami. The next day it’ll be snowing, literally. Remember the wooly mammoths found in Siberia, frozen to death with fresh green foliage in their stomachs. Billions of people will freeze and starve.

  42. Eugen (Romania) says:

    Or we could just keep the things as we found them, and let other more advanced generations figuring it all out.

  43. SteveF says:

    For January 2016, the satellite based data showed the lowest overall Arctic sea ice extent of any January since records begun in 1979.

    That may be so, but the announcements made to the public cannot be trusted at all — the summary often is not supported by the details of the report or even flatly contradicts the report, and the articles appearing in newspaper and general-public websites always preach the desired narrative regardless of what the report says.

    Even the “raw” data obtained from government agencies can’t be trusted. In the US, NOAA tampered with historical data going back most of a century, to show a steady warming trend which doesn’t actually exist. IIRC, they were caught only because someone had saved an earlier version of the reported data and noticed the adjustments from 1930-1960. For more granular data, the raw temperature readings of the thousands of tiny weather stations were not available the last I knew (though I admit I haven’t looked into it for maybe three years); only the “processed” and summarized numbers are available. Given the agencies’ record of agenda-driven lying, I have no faith that the numbers have not been “processed” to show warming.

  44. SteveF says:

    more advanced generations

    That’s us. We’re more knowledgeable and have better intellectual tools than any generation before us.

    On the flip side, the intellectual bottom-feeders are vastly out-breeding the intelligent and educated. (Ref Kornbluth’s “The Marching Morons” or the movie Idiocracy.) It’s possible that the stupid, greedy, and short-sighted will pull apart enough of the economic infrastructure that scientific knowledge and engineering and economic can-do will be reduced a generation from now.

  45. Dave Hardy says:

    “Itā€™s possible that the stupid, greedy, and short-sighted will pull apart enough of the economic infrastructure that scientific knowledge and engineering and economic can-do will be reduced a generation from now.”

    Agreed. Very possible.

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