Tuesday, 9 August 2016

By on August 9th, 2016 in Barbara, Brittany, Jen, science kits

10:00 – Barbara is down in Winston today for a follow-up appointment with her doctor and to run some errands. Colin and I are working on administrative stuff. Kit sales continue strong for early August, but we’re in pretty good shape on finished-goods inventory for now.

Jen and Brittany started CC’ing me on a private email discussion they’ve been having. I think they’ve been reading too many post-apocalyptic novels. In those, there’s often a trigger event that causes cities to empty out as urban residents seek the perceived safety of the surrounding rural areas. Those areas are overwhelmed by this “Golden Horde”, and gun battles between rural residents and these urban refugees ensue. I don’t think this is likely to happen, for several reasons.

First, people are likely to leave their urban and suburban homes only as an absolutely last resort. In a catastrophic emergency, government aid will focus on large population concentrations. Food and other critical supplies will go to large urban concentrations, and to rural areas last, if at all. The same is true of things like restoring electric power, water and sewer services, and medical and emergency services. Most residents of high population-density areas will (correctly) think that they’re better off where they are.

Second, even if a mass exodus from cities occurred, the mess would be awesome. Look what a simple snow storm did in Atlanta a couple years ago, and there was only an inch or so accumulation. Interstates became parking lots, literally. Not even emergency vehicles could move. In a SHTF scenario, it would be orders of magnitude worse. I mentioned some time ago the concept of tenth-value distances, the number of miles that would cut the number of people getting that far to 10% of the number who’d originally set out. That TV distance varies depending on a lot of factors. For us in Sparta, I estimate it at 10 miles. That is, if 100,000 people set out from Winston-Salem heading northwest, by the time you get 10 miles outside the city limits that number would be down to 10,000 people because of wrecks, disabled cars, road blockages, fights with local residents at roadblocks, and so on. By the time you get 20 miles outside Winston, the number would be down to 10% of that, or 1,000. At 30 miles, it’d be down to 100, at 40 miles down to 10, and at 50 miles down to 1. By the time you extend the ring to 60 miles, which is Sparta’s distance from Winston, you’re down to a tenth of a person. Call it an arm wiggling in the middle of the road.

Obviously, this is a SWAG on my part. The true tenth-value distance may be more than 10 miles, but it also could be much less. The point is, it’s non-trivial to get to Sparta even under normal circumstances. Lots of curvy two-lane mountain roads. In a catastrophic emergency, the difficulty would increase by orders of magnitude. Just a few big trees dropped across the roads at strategic points would suffice to stymie most refugees. So, although I don’t expect the cities to empty out and Golden Hordes go looting and pillaging through the countryside, if that did happen I don’t think Sparta is likely to see many invaders. And there are more than enough well-armed local Good Old Boys to mop up any that did make it this far. I told Jen and Brittany that they’re both far enough from major populations centers that I don’t think they need to worry, either.




67 Comments and discussion on "Tuesday, 9 August 2016"

  1. Dave Hardy says:

    Let’s see OFD do basic arithmetic again: If 1.6 million peeps flee Montreal and head south to our location…

    At ten miles, 160,000; 20 miles = 16,000; 30 miles = 1,600; 4o miles 160; 50 miles = 16; 60 miles = 1 adult and one child, having to trudge the last ten miles across farmland, bogs, marshes and forest to get here. And those numbers would probably all be much smaller at the outset because Moh-reel-all sits on an island in the middle of the Saint Lawrence, connected by bridges to the mainland. I’d bet those bridges would turn into parking lots almost immediately; they do so now any time there is repair or construction on them.

    Meanwhile local good ol’ boyz would be sniping at that guy and his kid once they crossed the border, lol. A pretty tough row to hoe.

    Coming up from Boston-Worcester-Springfield or NYC and Albany would be even more problematic.

    I’m guessing our main people problem will come from the FSA types already here, and also guessing that it would be the same for Jen and Brittany. And once a few examples are made and the bodies are dangling from trees around the main roads into town, that will come to a stop pretty fast.

    Sunny again and in the mid-80s; running errands and then boning up again on IT stuff for the due-diligence interview Thursday.

  2. nick says:

    “that will come to a stop pretty fast. ” or they’ll come in overwhelming force.

    n

    I have some thoughts on this subject based on Katrina, Rodney King, and 9-11, and I’ve got some first hand experience… but I need to get it into shape to share.

    Not happening today.

  3. nick says:

    A quick thought:

    I don’t think there is anyone here who is a hard core survivalist, who might already know this, but there might be someone who is “on the spectrum.”

    If you are storing duplicates of items for long term use in an ongoing lengthy disaster, you need to consider that things break down in storage. Particularly, soft and squishy things.

    Pure rubber items last a LONG time, but all the newer high tech plastics and rubber alternatives do NOT.

    Today my wife tried to wear some boots that had been in the closet for a few years. The soles came off immediately. The soft foam between the vibram sole and the leather boot has turned to sticky dust. I had the same problem with a pair of safety boots earlier this year. The soles were completely destroyed. They looked fine, but got soft and sticky and fell apart when touched.

    If you are planning for the LONG term, do you have boots that are completely made from leather stored? Could you re-sole your leather boots if you needed to?

    It’s not just boots. Any of the ‘soft touch’ plastics will deteriorate suddenly. Soft touch coatings on my toothbrushes are failing after a year or two. The soft touch coating on my handheld scanner failed to a sticky mess in only a couple of years. Even the cruise control buttons in my truck turned sticky and cracked open this year.

    If you’re storing items for long term, look hard at them. Choose items with hard plastics, or better, natural materials. Examine your stored items for deterioration (and rotate them). You have to actually touch and flex them to see if they are getting hard, or turning into sticky mush.

    It seems to be especially prevalent in plastics with a whole lot of ‘plasticizer’ in them, or the soft ones that do the worst over time.

    nick

  4. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    Good point. I had exactly this happen with a pair of good LL Bean boots that I’d never worn. They’d sat in their original box in the closet for a few years. When I finally decided to wear them, the soles looked perfectly fine but were soft and sticky, disintegrating at the slightest touch. That’s when I stopped shopping at LL Bean. I expected them to replace them without question, especially since they were completely unworn, but they offered only a minor credit (something like $20 on a $150 pair of boots) usable on our next purchase.

    So now I no longer stockpile such things against an emergency. I just keep my “spares” in use so I’ll have lots of gently used footwear if PCTS.

  5. Spook says:

    I have seen what appears to be accelerated deterioration of plastics from skin oils and/or cosmetics (hand lotion, cologne, etc.).

  6. nick says:

    @spook, yep, the plasticisers turn liquid in the presence of oils (slowly).

    Get chewing gum out of hair with peanut oil (p-butter/margarine/etc due to the oil)

    dissolve rubber bands in peanut oil

    skin oil rubbed on label adhesive will remove it (so will peanut oil)

    There are a lot of examples.

    most of the time, these relatively new soft plastics (the tech for cheaply overmolding is fairly new) are on items we replace or wear out before they get soft and gummy, but if you are a prepper storing them, or just buy in bulk, you’ll see the effect. Also, it’s been long enough now that even things we keep, like electronics with the soft touch coating are aging out.

    n

  7. brad says:

    “Pure rubber items last a LONG time, but all the newer high tech plastics and rubber alternatives do NOT.”

    The problem is: you have no idea what the composition of any given item is. It may be black, look and feel like rubber, and in six months melt into a puddle of goo for no apparent reason. On the other hand, I have a bag of gravel in a cheap, plastic bag outside holding down a tarp. It was only ever meant to be temporary, because I figured the plastic would quickly go brittle in the UV. Years later, it’s still as good as new – just today I moved it to hold down a different tarp.

    Maybe you can find an all-leather pair of work boots (though I wish you luck in the search), but for most outdoor clothing and survival gear, it’s all synthetics, all the way. They are superior, at least, until they melt into goo…

    It’s a problem, and there’s no easy solution.

  8. lynn says:

    “How to Identify the Brainwashed”
    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/148692199141/how-to-identify-the-brainwashed

    “Recently, Clinton has been winning in the third dimension. She abandoned her 2D rational arguments about experience and policies and started hypnotizing voters into believing they have the power to predict the future if they try hard enough. And in that imaginary future, Donald Trump is incinerating the world with nuclear fire because he can’t take advice, or he’s a narcissist, or he’s unstable, or he’s Hitler Version 2.0. This approach is excellent persuasion, and it is working for Clinton.”

    “Don’t expect to hear anything honest or true come from the mouths of either candidate for the rest of the campaign. Both candidates are skillfully building imaginary castles and make-believe demons out of your cognitive dissonance and your confirmation bias. You’re seeing the best-of-the-best persuaders (and helpers) operating at the highest level. Facts and policies are sitting this one out.”

    Yup. Gonna get deeper and deeper as we go along.

  9. Ray Thompson says:

    it’s been long enough now that even things we keep, like electronics with the soft touch coating are aging out

    Even expensive products. I have a set of Bose noise cancelling headphones. After 15 years the ear cushions started turning to goo. Contacted Bose and they said the headphones were out of warranty, tough. But they would replace the headphones for $100, a discount of about $200 over a new set. Left me little choice.

    I can tell you from experience that flying with noise cancelling headphones is worth the cost. Especially on the long trips to Europe. The headphones don’t drown out the noise but they get rid of the roar, that constant assault of sound from the engines and the air on the fuselage. When you sit for eight hours in an aluminum tube your brain doesn’t feel like mush.

  10. Greg Norton says:

    Look what a simple snow storm did in Atlanta a couple years ago, and there was only an inch or so accumulation.

    I saw less snow paralyze I-5 northbound out of Portland through SW WA State at least once a year, and everyone living in the area seems to drive a Forester.

  11. Paul says:

    re boot/shoe soles. I had similar experiences with relatively high end shoes and boots – from a certain period. I’ve been buying the same make and pattern for many years, the oldest pairs are still good, really worn from use but holding together, and those relatively recently purchased seem to be holding well. Those from the middle period (late 90s-2000s?, estimating) failed as others describe whether used or not. Some shoe people I talked to agreed there had been a problem with sole composition and the formulas have been changed for the better, at least on the brands I’ve been using (Clark and Vasque). Still seems good to be aware and avoid long term storage though.

  12. MrAtoz says:

    I have a set of Bose noise cancelling headphones.

    I have the Bose QuietComfort 20 earbuds. They are a joy on long flights.

    Anybody have input on silicone degradation over the years? A lot of items use it for gaskets, mask seals, etc.

  13. lynn says:

    Second, even if a mass exodus from cities occurred, the mess would be awesome. Look what a simple snow storm did in Atlanta a couple years ago, and there was only an inch or so accumulation. Interstates became parking lots, literally.

    There is one scenario that does beat this and that is where a “strong man” whips the local populace into an army and hits the road for victims XXXXX supplies. It takes time for a “strong man” to develop strength though and there is not enough food stored in the cities to make this happen. Unless, the “strong man” starts decimating the population in the city immediately which probably will not happen.

  14. nick says:

    Well made leather uppers aren’t a problem. Good rubber soles aren’t a problem. It seems to be the layer of “cushion” in between that failed in my wife’s case.

    From what I know of shoemaking (from video and historic reenactment) the hard part is the upper. My wife’s uppers were fine.

    Perhaps a book on shoemaking should go into the library 🙂 or at least a video of how to attach a sole….

    n

  15. SteveF says:

    If 1.6 million peeps flee Montreal and head south to our location…

    At ten miles, 160,000; 20 miles = 16,000; 30 miles = 1,600; 4o miles 160; 50 miles = 16; 60 miles = 1 adult and one child, having to trudge the last ten miles across farmland, bogs, marshes and forest to get here.

    RBT’s SWAG of TV=10 miles applied only to the named trek. TV is different for every population-trek combination.

  16. nick says:

    I use sony in ear noise canceling earbuds. I wouldn’t fly without them. (NC-11 iirc.)

    Regarding the Bose earpads, I replaced mine. I got a pair of bose over the ear n/c for super cheap at a sale ’cause the pads were rotten. I spent only a few bux on ebay and got replacements. They fit well and work. Used them with older child last year on a flight.

    I recently replaced the earpads on a Heil ham radio headset too. <$10 and about 15 minutes effort.

    I just picked up 2 pairs of sony over the ear n/c for my kids as they are smaller than the bose, and both replacement pad sets will be less than $10. (the 'phones were $2 each at a yard sale)

    There is a big market in replacement ear phone pads…..

    The soft touch coating on my handheld scanner came off with isopropyl alcohol and left it just hard and shiny. Same with my slide scanner. I have 2 gps units that will need to be stripped, and a trim ring on the dash of my ranger pickup too. I may coat some or all with colored Plasti-dip(tm) paint. It has most of the soft touch feel…

    nick

  17. nick says:

    @RBT/steveF, and the model assumes them starting from a point source, when they will be starting from all over. In theory I’m 10=15 miles from downtown Houston, but in practice, it’s people all the way there. Some of the 2 million are right next door and a significant proportion are within the first or second iteration….even if many are further away.

    Take a look at migration patterns during the dust bowl times. People are remarkably tenacious when the choice is live or die.

    n

  18. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    Oh, yes. TVD varies even on a particular route with many factors, most obviously season and weather conditions.

  19. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    Yes, where you guys live is just one giant conurbation.

  20. nick says:

    @paul, my Vasque boots are still good more than 20 years later, although the soles are stiff and not particularly grippy or shock absorbent. I wore them daily as a carpenter for years.

    n

  21. SteveF says:

    “Conurbation” in this context means “place where people die if things go wrong”, right?

  22. Rolf Grunsky says:

    @Dave

    Those Montrealers will head West. After all, if anything goes wrong it is the duty of the rest of Canada (especially Ontario and Alberta) to bail them out. Since France abandoned them (just a few acres of snow) they (Quebec) feel it is our responsibility to keep them in the manner in which they desire to be accustomed.

  23. Dave Hardy says:

    @Steve

    Yes, Mrs. OFD and I are agreed that the vast majority, assuming they could get across the bridges, or ice in the winter, would head west toward Ottawa and Toronto, i.e. more huge cities.

    And the vast majority possibly coming all the way up from NYC, Albany, Boston-Woostah-Springfield would, if on foot, have a tough time of it. We’re 230-250 miles north of those cities in MA and I know it’s a six-hour drive down to the lovely Capital District from here and NYC much farther than that.

    I doubt most of them would be interested in heading this way; “it’s too cold,” “it snows too much;” and “there’s nothing to do.”

  24. lynn says:

    “The most mysterious star in the galaxy doubles down on its mystique”
    http://www.astronomy.com/news/2016/08/the-most-mysterious-star-in-the-universe-is-back

    Looks like our neighbors are working on their Dyson Sphere again.

  25. lynn says:

    conurbation

    New word for Lynn ! ! ! from:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=conurbation&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

    “an extended urban area, typically consisting of several towns merging with the suburbs of one or more cities.”

    Yup, that be Houston. Somewhere between 100 and 200 cities, depending on your definition of city and your definition of the Houston metropolitan area. I’ve heard arguments for expanding the area from nine counties to ten counties, some of them coming from the EPA (smog!).

  26. MrAtoz says:

    In Vegas (Pahrump), when Lamar Odom says conurbation, it’s Ebonics for masturbation.

  27. SteveF says:

    So… when the residents complain that Houston is hot and sticky… ugh.

  28. Dave Hardy says:

    “Somewhere between 100 and 200 cities, depending on your definition of city and your definition of the Houston metropolitan area.”

    This would be close to an ultimate horror movie for Mrs. OFD and me.

    Speaking of which, I hear that they’re foolishly doing another reboot of “The Exorcist,” and claiming THIS one will be different, starring Geena Davis. Meanwhile I’m also hearing that there are more official exorcists than ever before, by an order of magnitude, in the Church. Why would this be, one wonders? Think about it.

    They could use one wherever Cankles is right now.

  29. nick says:

    The Church is growing in Latin America and other shitholes. Perhaps they are just closer to the spirit world….

    Or perhaps they don’t really practice the religion of the Popes and princes of The Church.

    n

  30. MrAtoz says:

    Geena Davis, WTF, over? Female priest?

  31. MrAtoz says:

    The MSM and libturds are ludicrous. Cankles fuks up all the time and crickets, tRump is about to open his mouth and he is SATAN!! 2d Amendment people = go shoot Cankles? Hey, count me in!!! Maybe tRump’s got sumpin’ dere.

  32. Dave Hardy says:

    “Or perhaps they don’t really practice the religion of the Popes and princes of The Church.”

    The Roman Catholic Church has always been yuuuuuuuge in Latin and South America but yeah, it’s growing, as are the main Protestant denominations down there. Both the Catholic and Anglican churches are yuuuuuuuge in East Africa. Naturally there are local and regional variants and ethnic differences but the basic liturgy and theology are the same, except when they get into flaky animist stuff like Santeria and voodoo.

    “Geena Davis, WTF, over? Female priest?”

    I don’t think so; looks like she has one episode and it’s a tee-vee series, not a movie, I guess. Plays a character named “Angela Rance.” There are other actors listed as playing clergy. She was born near Cape Cod and both parents are from small-town Vermont; she’s six feet tall and a Mensa member.

    “The MSM and libturds are ludicrous. Cankles fuks up all the time and crickets, tRump is about to open his mouth and he is SATAN!!”

    Yup, that’s because they’re all in the bag for her; even blowing off all her very obvious health problems. You can bet if cheeto-head gets a hangnail they’ll screech that he can’t possibly be President now!

    And from this point on both “candidates” will be talking a load of rubbish and trying to write checks that their asses can’t cash. The main thing will be keeping an eye out for yet another “lone gunman” and watching Cankles have demon bats flying out of her gob while her head swivels 360 degrees and the bats are replaced by gallons of thick green puke. We’ll ask where Vince Foster is right now and she’ll croak “In here…with us….” We’ll mention Tripoli and Benghazi and she’ll cackle like all three witches of Cawdor in “MacBeth.”

  33. Dave Hardy says:

    https://www.traditionalright.com/the-election-how-trump-wins/

    Exactly. If he’s serious, he’ll quit listening to, reading, or paying any attention to the RINO pieces of shit who run the Stupid Half of the Party. And he’ll double down on battling cultural neo-Marxism. He COULD win, but he has to stop shooting his mouth off about unimportant chit and hammer the progs, SJWs, neocons, BLM and FSA mobs. And tell the Repub nabobs to bugger off; they’ve been worse than useless for decades now and have routinely stabbed us in the back.

    If he’s not serious and merely wants to play games, maybe detonate the Repubs, and clear the way for an HRC dictatorship, or he gets JFK’d, then we’ll be doing the death day countdown for HRC, too. She ain’t long for the planet, looks like, and that means the VP will take over. Another bland lefty moron who’ll do the Evil Half’s janitorial duty for four years.

  34. Dave Hardy says:

    The latest Woodpile Report:

    http://www.woodpilereport.com/html/index-438.htm

    Chock-full of good stuff, as usual. He first mentions using his FoodSaver and storing a bunch of stuff in quart Mason jars. Anyone else here do this and/or recommend it? How long does the process take to, say, fill a dozen jars with whatever, flour or baking mix, for instance?

    One of the selling points he brought up was how much space is saved once it’s all outta the boxes and bags.

  35. Dave Hardy says:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/07/28/dnc-emails-wikileaks-paper-ballots-election-rigging-hack-russia-putin-column/87617928/

    The professor assumes (and we know what that spells, don’t we, boyz and grrls?) that our elections are otherwise genuine and completely aboveboard, which is a laff and a half. Even if we went back to paper ballots, we’d still spot thuggish characters hauling boxes out a back door, hanging chads, and corpses rising from their graves to participate in the “democratic process.”

    Any fool can see that the empire is way too big now for this chit and has become ungovernable accordingly. Way past time to break it up; the divorces are coming eventually whether we like it or not.

  36. MrAtoz says:

    On Foodsavers. I think I posted this years ago. Before moving here I Foodsavered a quart Mason with flour. I found it again in Vegas about two years later. We made pizza crust with it and lived. No bugs or cooties were in it. I mostly vacuum big foods into little bags and freeze. I have their vac containers for cheese and coldcuts. The bags work great, except for the ones with valves. They seem to fail after 5-6 uses. I also vac my tax returns in bags for posterity. The thick returns get as hard as a hunk of wood. You could take Cankles out with a good crack across her skull. I also have a commercial domed vac like restaurants use. That works great with liquids. You can use the FS for that, but it gets messy. You need to clean the glop tray right after. I have a small impulse sealer for Mylar. I use that for my supplements when I travel. It works pretty good for drink powders, too. Just cut a nick on one edge and it rips right open.

  37. Dave Hardy says:

    Thanks for that info, amigo.

    “You could take Cankles out with a good crack across her skull.”

    I think somebody mighta already done that but she’s still lumbering around out there, with frequent coughing, pratfalls, seizures, and making funny faces for the crowds. Whoever whacked her didn’t whack her hard enough.

  38. lynn says:

    “EXCLUSIVE: Child rape victim comes forward for the first time in 40 years to call Hillary Clinton a ‘liar’ who defended her rapist by smearing her, blocking evidence and callously laughing that she knew he was guilty”
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3729466/Child-rape-victim-comes-forward-time-40-years-call-Hillary-Clinton-liar-defended-rapist-smearing-blocking-evidence-callously-laughing-knew-guilty.html

    Hillary is not a very nice person, is she ?

  39. nick says:

    To foodsaver liquids (or solids with a high amount of liquid) just freeze them first.

    I put the item in one of the square reusable ziplok containers, freeze them either hard or just to slush, then vac seal the icy chunk. The square chunks fit the bags well, and stack in the freezer.

    I’ve also been seasoning meat before vac sealing the bags. One less thing to do when I’m making dinner.

    nick

    helpful hints- write on the bag with sharpie, what is in it, when you bagged it, and how many days it has left after thaw. If you bought the meat on clearance and froze it right away, you probably don’t want it defrosted for a few more days before cooking, so write ” +0 ” on the bag. Conversely, if it was fresh the day you bagged it, with 7 days left on it’s ‘sell by’, write ” +7 “.

  40. brad says:

    Reading about that rape case just hurts. And the scumbag went free, because of a stupid mistake in handling evidence. Definitely a miscarriage of justice.

    That said, I don’t actually see that this reflects badly on Clinton. When you are a defense attorney, your job is, in fact, to defend your client. I had a girlfriend once, who took lots of public defender cases. Most times, she knew perfectly well that her clients were guilty. It was still her job to represent them to the best of her ability in court. Like it or not, that’s the principle of an adversarial system.

    In this rape case: you can’t go around allowing the prosecution “lose” critical pieces of evidence, leaving the defense with no chance to check their findings. If anyone is at fault in this case, it is the crime lab that lost the evidence.

  41. Miles_Teg says:

    Ray wrote:

    “I can tell you from experience that flying with noise cancelling headphones is worth the cost.”

    Can you suggest a brand and model please?

  42. nick says:

    @miles, Sony NC-11 in ear work well for me and are inexpensive and tiny. Many people prefer an over the ear style, Bose Quiet Comfort is the king.

    Read very carefully as manf’s have started using ‘noise cancelling’ when they mean ‘noise blocking.’ Cancelling uses active processing and ‘anti-sound’ to cancel out the actual waveforms at your ear, blocking is just a tight fitting earplug.

    Even the relatively inexpensive sony plugs will make a night and day difference to your mental state and fatigue level. They are also very good earphones.

    nick

  43. MrAtoz says:

    For noise blocking, nothing beats E A R foam ear plugs the military uses. Roll them up and slide in the ear canal. Something else may block better, but these are comfortable all day long. We always had large boxes all over the airfield.

  44. nick says:

    For comfort on a flight, I find the NCs to be better than just earplugs.

    I’ve worn plugs at work for years, all day long, and I like the soft ones with a smooth finish. The rougher ones will eventually cause itching. Look at the NR Rating when selecting plugs. Many foam plugs have less reduction than you might need.

    Lately I’ve been breaking the law, putting plugs in both ears while driving. It cuts the white noise (which I’ve conditioned myself to cause sleepiness) and I increase the radio volume to compensate. I only do it on long highway drives.

    nick

  45. MrAtoz says:

    That said, I don’t actually see that this reflects badly on Clinton.

    I think it’s her attitude, cackling and laughing, that hurts her. A win is a win in court, but she’s just not like the rest of us. Human, that is.

  46. MrAtoz says:

    Ruh Roh!

    SWITZERLAND is struggling to cope as it is fast becoming the route of choice for migrants trying to enter Germany after many Balkan countries have sealed off their borders.

  47. MrAtoz says:

    lol! Communism in action.

    Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is the proud new owner of a summer home in the Champlain Islands, Seven Days has confirmed.

    The Burlington resident last week plopped down nearly $600,000 on a lakefront camp in North Hero.

    Sanders’ new crib has four bedrooms and 500 feet of Lake Champlain beachfront on the east side of the island — facing Vermont, not New York. The Bern will keep his home in Burlington and use the new camp seasonally.

  48. Miles_Teg says:

    I used cheap foam earplugs in a recent hospital stay, cut out a lot of noise and chatter I didn’t want to hear, like “Mr Smith, have you opened your bowels this morning?”

  49. Mike G. says:

    As to quality boots, perhaps Red Wing?

    http://www.redwingshoes.com

    of which the previously mentioned Vasque, is a sub.

    .mg

  50. Miles_Teg says:

    MrAtoz wrote…

    “Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is the proud new owner of a summer home in the Champlain Islands, Seven Days has confirmed.”

    FTA

    The store, a bit south of his new abode, serves a sandwich called “Feel the Bun” in the senator’s honor.

    Anyone want to feel Bernie’s Bun?

  51. Miles_Teg says:

    These are the only boots you need…

    http://www.rmwilliams.com.au/men/footwear/boots

  52. Ray Thompson says:

    Can you suggest a brand and model please?

    No, in all honesty I really cannot. Some people prefer earbuds, some prefer over the ear. My personal preference is over the ear. I have had very good results with the Bose units and thus can recommend them as doing what they say. But for someone else the units may by too heavy, cumbersome or otherwise undesirable.

    I find the NCs to be better than just earplugs

    Yes, that is what I find also. Earplugs reduce the noise, the constant roar, but do not eliminate. Noise cancelling will almost completely eliminate the noise. Plus you can listen to music or watch movies with active devices. Additionally the sound is generally quite good when you eliminate the “hum and roar”.

    It cuts the white noise

    It cuts the wife noise (fixed if for you).

    For noise blocking, nothing beats E A R foam ear plugs the military uses

    Nothing fully blocks the noise (at least in a consumer version). I don’t want to attenuate the noise, I want to eliminate as much of the noise as possible. The noise cancelling devices do just that by eliminating the repetitive noise such as engine roar. You can still hear people talking although at a reduced level with the over the ear headphones. That constant roar is really quite draining on the mental capacity which you don’t realize until you have used noise cancelling earphones.

    using ‘noise cancelling’ when they mean ‘noise blocking.’

    Yes, look for active noise cancelling. The device needs to have electronics which generally require a battery. If the device has no battery it is noise blocking, not noise cancelling. Big difference.

    On my next trip to Europe I am going to take the Bose and a set of these:

    https://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics-HBS-800-Bluetooth-Headset/dp/B00D2CRXKI/ref=sr_1_1?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1470847498&sr=1-1&keywords=lg+noise+cancelling+bluetooth+headset

    The LG seem to work OK around the house although I am concerned about how long the battery lasts with NC turned on. BT is nice to eliminate the cable but not enough if the battery will not last an 8 hour flight. I do have recharging capability but that takes too long and the device is not usable while charging.

    The Bose on the other hand have lasted for the flight over and the flight back plus some space in between. Conservatively I would say 20 hours on a single AAA battery. Recharging is not an option as you simply replace the battery.

    Thus I give high marks to the Bose for their comfort, quality, long battery life and noise cancelling ability. Expensive? Yes. But you get what you pay for and Bose does indeed have excellent quality and performance.

  53. dkreck says:

    These are the only boots you need…

    You mean the only boots you can afford.

    Redwings for sure. Logger style 8″ high narrow heel on lug sole. Very popular in the wildland fire service. Bought mine 45 years ago for about $80 (almost a week’s pay). Lasted for years. I would waterproof mine with a heavy coating of boot oil paste.

  54. Dave Hardy says:

    “I think it’s her attitude, cackling and laughing, that hurts her.”

    i.e., her arrogance, total lack of empathy for anyone else, and general utter nastiness and evil. To know that you got a child rapist off and boast and laugh about it is evil. Pure and simple.

    As to the new Sanders summa home: I sent that link to Mrs. OFD just now; “Seven Days” is our weekly commie rag up here, and I mean seriously commie and perverted. They’ve never met or discussed a homosexual, tranny or minority they didn’t immediately completely adore and worship and they’re clearly neo-Marxist scumbags and have been for many years. And of course it’s run and been run since the beginning by a couple of middle-class white wenches. Like I told wife; ‘must be nice and gee what a coincidence…’ Suddenly it’s time to dump the old folks’ house in Maine and we are supposed to infer that funds are now available to buy the new one on the island. And cool, Jane’s done with her college prez job up here and the college is bankrupt now. Another coincidence. Also, incidentally, North Hero is not as nice a place as South Hero, just sayin’. The commies certainly do enjoy their wealth and luxury, don’t they? A host of the Mordor bastards have summer places on the Vineyard and Nantucket; my ancestors must be spinning in their graves.

  55. nick says:

    Got his dacha by the sea….

    n

    when the purge comes, it won’t help him

  56. MrAtoz says:

    Nothing fully blocks the noise (at least in a consumer version).

    My use was for flying. Roll the plugs as thin as possible and insert. Flight helmet over that. Crank the radios up till clear. Most people don’t use the foam plugs right. You have to roll them as thin as possible then insert deep into the canal. Maybe one day the mil will design their flight helmets with NC. Still need some kind of plugs/muffs on the flight line. Not to mention the firing line.

  57. Ray Thompson says:

    Still need some kind of plugs/muffs on the flight line

    Indeed. I use earmuffs when operating yard machinery such as the mower and especially the weed trimmer. In fact any time I operate gasoline powered equipment designed for yard use I have hearing protection and eye protection.

    You have to roll them as thin as possible then insert deep into the canal

    I use them when at the local HS basketball games. Do as you stated. Works well. Small stadiums full of loud people makes the use of plugs mandatory. I get odd looks but don’t give a rat’s ass. I find it amazing that adults will bring infants to such affairs as the noise has to be really hard on those young ears. I will also start using earplugs at the local football games.

    As I have aged, and the hearing has depreciated, I am learning the power and necessity of ear protection, something I wish I would have realized about 55 years ago.

    Flight helmet over that

    Don’t think that would work on a commercial flight. You would probably get branded as a bomb monkey and tossed aside the TSA, strip searched, cavity exam, blood test, breath test and dental X-Rays.

  58. MrAtoz says:

    You would probably get branded as a bomb monkey and tossed aside the TSA, strip searched, cavity exam, blood test, breath test and dental X-Rays.

    So, the standard Cankles/Huma pre-bedroom sex routine?

  59. Dave Hardy says:

    “Got his dacha by the sea….”

    And duly noted.

    We need to also note all our local judges, DA’s, ADA’s, selectboards, school boards, etc., etc., i.e., town, city, county and state officials. Complete profiles.

    “when the purge comes, it won’t help him”

    See above.

  60. Ray Thompson says:

    So, the standard Cankles/Huma pre-bedroom sex routine?

    One does indeed wonder how you would know. Just sayin’. Maybe OFD was on to something (as opposed to on something).

  61. Miles_Teg says:

    Ray wrote:

    “It cuts the wife noise (fixed if for you).”

    I don’t need that feature, as I’m not married. Also, I have a mutation/feature that automatically cuts out female chatter that doesn’t interest me, as my mum and sister would agree,

  62. Dave Hardy says:

    “…Also, I have a mutation/feature that automatically cuts out female chatter that doesn’t interest me…”

    Make no mistake: that is a FEATURE! And you are blessed to have it!

    “Maybe OFD was on to something (as opposed to on something).”

    What difference does it make………now???

    Some thoughts on The Current Situation and what to do, mainly develop and keep a strong mental attitude and learn how to do stuff that is valued by and helps other people:

    https://capitalisteric.wordpress.com/2016/08/08/shtf-arrives-early-now-what/

  63. Mike G. says:

    Another topic I can chime in on–ear protection. As a musician, I’ve had good results with this co’s products,

    http://www.etymotic.com/consumer/hearing-protection.html

    .mg

  64. Ray Thompson says:

    I’ve had good results with this co’s products

    I like the foam plugs. When I have used the plugs I just toss them in the trash. No cleaning involved from gunky buildup. They may not be the best but they are good enough. And cheap in large quantities.

  65. SteveF says:

    I’m sorry, Mike G, but before you’re allowed to comment knowledgeably based on experience, you’re required to talk stupid shit at least three times.

    For your convenience, here is a list of stupid shit topics:
    – What kind of alcohol is best for getting Hillary in the mood for sexy times.
    – What kind of alcohol is best for erasing the memory of sexy times with Hillary.
    – How to turn your car into a rocket car using stuff you have around the house.
    – Cannibalism for fun and profit.
    – Your fantasy football picks.
    – Your FitBit step counts for the past month.

  66. Dave Hardy says:

    I needed a good laff tonight after staring bleary-eyed at screen after screen of RHEL network stuff and arguing with Mrs. OFD about politics. I knew I could count on Mr. SteveF down there in the Capital District tropics because he doesn’t sleep.

    So I will attempt to answer the questions in order:

    Get Killary in the mood? I’d say Boone’s Farm Apple wine or Thunderbird. “Say, honey, you shore got a purty mouth…wait…what’s that hole in yer tongue?”

    Erase the memory? Laotian rice whiskey, about a gallon, in between tokes on a bong loaded with Thai sticks laced with almost pure smack.

    My car will become a rocket when I stuff the trunk with forty gallons of premium gasoline, toss a highway flare back there and then floor it on the interstate. That might show up on the satellite cams.

    Cannibalism for fun and profit: I’m assembling boxcar loads of greased truck axles; I hear the market is gonna be yuuuuuuuuuge!

    Fantasy football picks? Hard to say; ordinarily I’d pick most of the Patriots but this season I’ll be filling in for Brady during his four-game suspension so have to recuse myself.

    My FitBit step counts for July/August are zero, yes, a big fat zero. I’m a feeble old man and can barely make it up and down the stairs and am no threat to anyone whatsoever and have no guns and a ten-year old girl scout could kick my ass.

  67. Dave Hardy says:

    Murkans don’t read so we get non-reading morons for candidates, sounds about right.

    http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/2016/08/teddy-roosevelt-trump-clinton-reading-annie-holmquist.html

    OFD has read or seen 22 out of those 29 works read by Pharaoh Roosevelt I. Actually I’m still working on the Gibbon and slooooowwwwly re-learning Latin and learning anew classical Greek. Why? Mainly ’cause I dig this stuff and also to keep the brain cells active and not rot away like my mom’s and dad’s. Who, incidentally, now that I think of it, were both big readers when I was a kid. But they stopped. A word to the wise…

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