Wednesday, 23 September 2015

By on September 23rd, 2015 in prepping

09:08 – Welcome to autumn. It looks and feels like autumn around here. Highs in the 70’s, lows in the 50’s, and rain. Barbara is now down to five work days left, and counting.

While she was out running errands the other day, Barbara stopped at the RV place to fill the new 20-pound propane cannister we’d bought at Costco. When she returned, I looked at the receipt and was puzzled. It showed “10 @ $0.99 = $9.90”. Ten what? Surely they didn’t put only 10 pounds into the 20 pound tank, but a 20-pound tank won’t hold 10 gallons, and even if it could I couldn’t imagine that propane was selling for $0.99 per gallon.

So I called them to find out. As it turns out, they indeed sell propane for $0.99/gallon, but they have a 10-gallon minimum, or about 42 pounds. As the guy said, it would have cost the same to fill a 30-pound cannister or a 40-pound cannister. If you’re actually using the propane routinely, it’d make sense to buy a 40-pound cannister. Those cost about $80 empty, versus $25 empty for the 20-pound cannisters. With one $10 fill, you’d be paying $70 for 40 pounds in two 20-gallon cannisters versus about $90 for one 40-pound cannister, but you’d break even after three fills and then you’d be paying $1/gallon to fill the larger tank versus $2/gallon to fill the smaller ones. We don’t use that much propane, just running our gas barbecue grill occasionally, so for stockpiling it makes sense for us to use the 20-pound cannisters. You can run a Coleman propane camp stove for a long, long time on one 20-pound cannister. We keep two full 20-pound cannisters plus a third one that’s in use, so we average about 50 pounds of propane available at any given time.

With a heat content of 20,000+ BTU/pound, that means we have about a million BTUs in those cannisters, enough to run a 10,000 BTU/hr camp stove burner for about 100 hours, or three hours a day for a month. Another way to look at it is how much water we could boil. Heating water from 62F to 212F requires 150 BTU/lb. Water weighs about 8.34 pounds/gallon, so it takes about 1,250 BTUs to increase the temperature of a gallon of water by 150F, so ignoring losses we normally have enough propane on hand to boil about 800 gallons of water or the equivalent.


91 Comments and discussion on "Wednesday, 23 September 2015"

  1. nick says:

    So I’m listening to the SDR, and our local emergency management team is doing their weekly EM radio net checks. They call for and acknowledge each agency, then each city/village/etc. Of course they are on the 800Mhz trunked network, so if the backup power fails, any of the trunkline or backhaul fails, or repeater sites fail, their hosed. It’s more interop than they had, and presumably that infrastructure is hardened. (Pretty much every official radio user in the Houston area is on a MASSIVE trunked system.)

    Anyway, in the middle of the net there is another call “Dead squirrel in the park.”

    Someone actually called the cops, who then dispatched an officer, about a dead squirrel. WTF is wrong with people?

    nick

  2. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    And they probably called 911 to report the dead squirrel.

    I remember a dream I had one night, probably back in the 60’s. An old lady had called the police to report that her cat was stuck up a tree. I was the officer responding. I pulled out my pistol, shot the cat, and it dropped from the tree. The old lady thanked me for getting her cat down.

  3. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    Even today, that’s how I’d handle a cat stuck up a tree. They’re evil things, cats.

  4. nick says:

    Hey Asheville NC is in the news! When things go wrong in a small town, it’s hard to get away from it.

    Humiliated women speak out against coffee shop owners who cruelly chronicled their sexual exploits in ‘misogynistic and racist’ blog after picking up dates at the counter

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3245296/Humiliated-women-speak-against-coffee-shop-owners-cruelly-chronicled-sexual-exploits-misogynistic-racist-blog-picking-dates-counter.html

    What’s kind of amazing is that these guys pulled 50 women, in a pretty small market. One even saw several of her friends on the conquest list. Several!

    Once again, glad I’m in a monogamous marriage, and this sort of scene is in the distant past.

    nick

  5. Chad says:

    Here’s an example of e-book price gouging that drives me crazy…

    Last Words by George Carlin

    Paperback book is $12.02. Kindle is $13.99.

    What. The. Fuck.

  6. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    Yeah, that’s why I refuse to buy Forstchen’s _One Year After_. There’s no way I’ll pay $13 for an ebook. The traditional publishers are trying to protect hardback sales and screwing both authors and readers by keeping ebook prices artificially high. I guess they’ve never heard of Bittorrent.

  7. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    I hope they still have freedom of speech in Asheville. These young women have apparently ignored a pretty important concept: if you don’t want everyone to find out you’ve done it, don’t do it.

  8. OFD says:

    From the Asheville links:

    “We validate and affirm your frustration and disappointment.”

    This is the kind of language that has the late Eric Blair spinning in his grave and me in mine before my time. Jeezum Crow. Right out of the Super-PC Playbook.

    Gag-worthy.

  9. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    In the size town we’re looking at, the advice would be a lot blunter: “If you don’t want everyone to know you’re a slut, don’t be a slut.”

  10. OFD says:

    And it would be nice in a town like that if yokel dirtbags like the two guys who ran the shop got shunned socially, indecent scumbags and a bad influence. It ain’t ALL on the womyn there.

  11. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    Oh, I think it’s safe to say that they might get a little “boys will be boys” latitude, but preying on women is even less likely to be accepted in a rural small town than it is anywhere else.

  12. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    Actually, in a biological sense, it *is* all on the women, assuming it was voluntary on their parts. Men are genetically programmed to have sex with as many fertile women as possible. It’s what we do, and only a very good reason (like the wife knifing us while we sleep) can prevent us from doing it.

    I’ve not cheated on Barbara in our 30+ years of marriage, but I ran rampant before that. I have no clue how many women I had sex with from high school through grad school. It has to be more than 50, and I’d bet it’s more than 100. Most of them I don’t remember. I don’t mean I don’t remember their names; I mean I don’t remember them at all.

  13. OFD says:

    “Men are genetically programmed to have sex with as many fertile women as possible.”

    Understood.

    Tie a knot in it.

    Until you’re monogamously married to the girl/woman.

    That is my view and the “gold” standard for most of Western civilization.

    Consequences are important and self-control is important; if it isn’t learned by the rampaging teenage years, there will be serious problems, as we have all discovered. Less excuse for horntoad miscreants in their thirties, who then splashed their “exploits” all over the media and are now on their knees with their business no doubt in the shitter.

  14. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    Oh, come on. Get real. Society in general and women in particular used to understand and acknowledge reality. If a woman found out that her husband had cheated on her, she’d smack his snout with a rolled up newspaper, saying “Bad dog, bad dog” and then go over and claw the other woman’s eyes out. Both women not to mention everyone else understood that it wasn’t the guy’s fault for doing what came naturally. It was the woman’s fault, and they were called “homewreckers”.

  15. OFD says:

    And women who found their husbands cheating on them used to quite often escalate beyond the rolled up newspaper, including killing the guy or divorcing him; there is blowback from these Don Juan capers, which commonly affects children, too.

    It may come naturally for us to do many things, but in a civil society we learn to control our base impulses, biological or otherwise. If we do not, and we’re just mischievous and funny ol’ dawgs who can mess around with any females we want, then we’re asking for a boatload of trouble down the line. As we have found with our wunnerful Sexual Revolution and the mayhem with the underclasses in the cities.

    The business of smacking the errant Romeo with the newspaper and then clawing the other woman’s eyes out sounds more like an old cartoon than current reality.

  16. Miles_Teg says:

    “I have no clue how many women I had sex with from high school through grad school. It has to be more than 50, and I’d bet it’s more than 100.”

    I’ve kept a tally over the years, if you’d like me to refresh your memory… 🙂

    Ages, hair colour, names, addresses, IQ, height, boob size, marital status, the lot…

    I’ve got it in a spreadsheet here somewhere. 517 and counting… 🙂

  17. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    No, it used to be reality, back when women understood and acknowledged that cheating was the other woman’s fault. No more. Now, everything is guys’ faults.

  18. Miles_Teg says:

    “Now, everything is guys’ faults.”

    Welcome to Political Correctness 101.

  19. Lynn says:

    > “Volkswagen Used Software to Cheat on Emissions”
    > https://www.petri.com/volkswagen-used-software-to-cheat-on-emissions
    >
    > I am simultaneously appalled and impressed.
    >
    > Lynn

    Oh, now it is a worldwide problem with 11 million cars:
    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2491750,00.asp

    I wonder if VW will be leaving the USA again?

  20. Jim says:

    The ability to control our urges is one of the things that separates us from the apes. The biological imperative to mate with multiple partners can be tempered by self control. Men _can_ control themselves if they want to.

    Were I to cheat on my wife, it would be my fault. I’m a grown man & know what I’m doing. I won’t cheat on her. That’s not PC BS. That’s a man deciding to control himself.

  21. rick says:

    No, it used to be reality, back when women understood and acknowledged that cheating was the other woman’s fault. No more. Now, everything is guys’ faults.

    How about both parties taking responsibility for their actions? That’s not political correctness, it’s civilization. My premarital count isn’t as high as Bob’s, but I wasn’t celibate. I graduated from Berkeley, California High School in 1970, so I was in the thick of things. I met my wife in 1979 and we got married in 1980. I have been monogamous since we met and I am confident she has as well. I have had fantasies, but have never acted on them.

    Rick in Portland

  22. rick says:

    I wonder if VW will be leaving the USA again?

    I think VW is a prime takeover target at this point. If I owned a VW or owned stock in the company, I’d be royally pissed.

  23. Miles_Teg says:

    Jim wrote:

    “The ability to control our urges is one of the things that separates us from the apes. The biological imperative to mate with multiple partners can be tempered by self control. Men _can_ control themselves if they want to.”

    Sure, but it’s not in our evolutionary self interest. How does behaviour like that evolve? It reduces reproductive fitness. So does homosexuality.

  24. rick says:

    Humans, as a species, have been spectacularly successful in reproducing. If a man is dead because his mate wasn’t happy with his screwing around, his reproduction has ended. Producing kids doesn’t ensure the propagation of a man’s genes. The kids have to survive to reproduce. That is more likely with an intact family unit.

  25. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    Actually, nothing ensures survival of a man’s genes. If you understand meiosis, you understand that it takes surprisingly few generations for descendants to become genetically unrelated to earlier generations. We are related to our distant ancestors only in a genealogical sense, not in a genetic sense.

  26. Miles_Teg says:

    Rick, that sounds like group selection, which most evolutionary biologists regard as heresy.

  27. Miles_Teg says:

    “Actually, nothing ensures survival of a man’s genes….”

    After a number of generations, perhaps. But evolution doesn’t look ahead. We should all be out there trying to leave as many descendants as we can, but a lot of us don’t, including gay people and those in religious orders.

  28. OFD says:

    “We are related to our distant ancestors only in a genealogical sense, not in a genetic sense.”

    Also culturally and intellectually. Of course, that varies with the definition of “distant.” I don’t regard my English and Irish ancestors particularly distant; they often seem as though they were here in the same room with me yesterday. That seems to stretch a bit further back as I get older, as with the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Picts and Celts. Zinjanthropus? Pretty effin distant.

  29. rick says:

    With a heat content of 20,000+ BTU/pound, that means we have about a million BTUs in those cannisters,

    Bob, if you don’t have one, I suggest a section of the safe storage and handling of fuel in your book. Gasoline has 114,000 BTU/gallon and propane has 84,300 BTU/gallon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_gallon_equivalent). Diesel has 129,500 BTU/gallon. Gasoline and propane fumes are explosive and releasing a million BTUs at once could ruin your day. Diesel fumes are not explosive. I store propane and gasoline outside for safety reasons. I have a diesel engine in my boat as I would not own a boat with an inboard gasoline engine and I will get a propane detector before I use propane on the boat. There was a boat that did not ventilate its bilges after filling its tanks with gasoline on the river here a few years ago. The explosion was spectacular. The people on the boat were lucky that nobody was killed.

  30. nick says:

    Homosexual behavior must have a benefit to the gene pool at large. Maybe by providing males who are not a threat to the reproduction of dominants, but who can still do men’s work?

    The behavior is in monkeys and other species as well, so there must be a reason.

    WRT controlling your sexual activity, there are benefits but they are one level abstracted. Like the benefit of following a leader, cooperative work, self sacrifice. May not be best for individual, but by riding on the coat tails it has benefits, and it does benefit the species overall.

    Humans are social and structured. Unrestrained male competition for mates, and unrestrained breeding are anti-social, and against the structures, and therefore are probably not advantages.

    nick

  31. nick says:

    @ofd, speaking of cultures surviving, the other night I was watching another episode in the historical farm series, this one on Tudor Monastery Farms. I learned the origin of “tenterhooks.” They are hooks used to stretch wool fabric during its production. The expression “on tenterhooks” is still with us 600 years later.

    That’s some longevity.

    nick

  32. nick says:

    Adding, of course there are other words and concepts that are older, but that one amazed me because it’s technical, and obscure. OF COURSE we know the gods, but how many were making wool cloth, and why did any one care?

    nick

  33. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    Yes, homosexuality is difficult to explain in an evolutionary context. That’s not evidence against evolution, but it is a curiosity. I’ve read several proposed explanations, including yours, and all of them make sense to some extent. I suspect someone will figure it out at some point, but there’s no guarantee of that since evolution is not directed. It has no goal, so it can be hard to determine which particularly characteristics benefit a species (and why they benefit it) and which are simply neutral mutations.

  34. nick flandrey says:

    So, a prepping observation.

    I currently have 3 robots in my home working diligently while I mess about.

    -dishwasher
    -bread maker
    -crockpot

    If I hadn’t done laundry yesterday, I’d have 4.

    In 3 hours, with very little physical effort or time on my part, I’ll have dinner with fresh bread, served on clean plates.

    Each of those tasks would have eaten a significant part of the day without the robots.

    Not much time leftover for messing about….

    nick

    (and that leaves out the more purely machines that heat my water, draw it from the ground and transport it where it’s needed, remove my waste, and the machines that cool my air, and provide me with light…)

  35. Lynn says:

    I currently have 3 robots in my home working diligently while I mess about.

    -dishwasher
    -bread maker
    -crockpot

    If I hadn’t done laundry yesterday, I’d have 4.

    In 3 hours, with very little physical effort or time on my part, I’ll have dinner with fresh bread, served on clean plates.

    Electricity is a force multiplier. I am continuously amazed at the morons who want to ration it.

  36. Lynn says:

    _Interrupt_ by Jeff Carlson
    http://www.amazon.com/Interrupt-Jeff-Carlson/dp/1612183646/

    Standalone novel by Jeff Carlson, author of _Plague Year_ and _The Frozen Sky_. Carlson has written another winner.

    Do we really know our sun? Do we know how it acts, why it acts? Do we understand solar wind and coronal mass events? Jeff Carlson says no and writes a high action story on why the Neanderthals died. Or, did they?

    My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
    Amazon rating: 3.5 out of 5 stars (403 reviews)

    So, how does one prep for a overwhelming cataclysmic event? I don’t think that one can if one is no longer in control of their faculties.

  37. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    Big surprise.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3243803/Research-shows-men-attracted-women-early-20s-no-matter-old-get.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

    As I said, it’s purely biology. Men want fertile women, and that’s when a woman’s fertility peaks. Before 17 or so, it’s noticeably lower than is is later. Before 20 or 22, it’s lower than it is at 20 or 22. After 22 or 23, women’s fertility begins a slow decline, which really accelerates when she reaches 28 or so. That’s why it’s so pathetic that women are putting off having their babies, thinking they can just as well have them when they’re 35 as when they’re 25. It ain’t true, as a lot of women are finding to their regret. I just told Kim yesterday that Jasmine (age 22) needs to find a guy and start having her babies now.

  38. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    Re: explosive characteristics of propane/gasoline versus Diesel fuel.

    Yeah, both propane and heating oil are popular choices in the mountains for heating, along with wood and heat pumps. It’s not unusual to see a mixture. Several of the houses we looked at in Ashe County had oil-fired hot water as the primary heat with a wood stove in the basement that was ducted and could heat the entire house. I’d like some sort of combination. Electric/heat pump for central air and heat would be fine with me, as long as we had that wood stove in the basement just in case.

    In fact, if we end up in a house that doesn’t have wood/coal backup, it’d be a high priority for me to install it.

  39. OFD says:

    “Electricity is a force multiplier.”

    No chit, hermano! Just think how dependent we are on the Grid; not only the labor-saving gizmos that Mr. nick mentions, but the whole innernet, tee-vee, radio, power to factories, stores, warehouses, the armed forces, police, etc., etc.

    “I learned the origin of “tenterhooks.” They are hooks used to stretch wool fabric during its production. The expression “on tenterhooks” is still with us 600 years later.”

    Many such words and phrases; a handy book to have lying around the house if you dig that stuff is “Brewer’s Dictionary of Phrase and Fable.” Naturally the word “tenterhooks” gets effed up by younger writers and speakers as “tender hooks.” As in “I’m on tender hooks waiting for my wife’s pay checks to arrive here.”

    These are the same youngsters who use “phase” when they mean “faze.” As in “It doesn’t phase me that various Repub cretins are dropping like flies and heading back to the circus clown car now.”

    Anyone who reads a lot sees those misteaks immediately.

    They’ll also use “homeless” as a noun. As in “I hope to see a homeless urinating on Obummer’s limousine at his next golf outing.”

  40. MrAtoz says:

    Men want fertile women

    Then there are people like Mr. Miles_Teg and Mr. OFD who want to f*ck Cankles.

    That was humor, boys.

  41. OFD says:

    Where and in what dimension did anyone here or in this solar system ever get the faintest inkling I even want to breathe the same friggin’ atmosphere as Cankles, let alone look upon her grim viz ever again or hear her spewing sewage on our poor ol’ blue planet?

    Even as hew-muh? Yikes. I’d become a celibate monk in a remote desert hermitage first.

    Can’t speak for our correspondent down in Oz, though; his previous ruminations on various women have been suspect for a long time…IIRC, he thought she was hot when she was only a few years younger than she is now. Scary, that.

  42. MrAtoz says:

    This woman speaks the truth.  There will be no assimilation. There will be no acceptance of the American Way. People come here legally and illegally and want to create the shit-hole they came from. Welcome to Mecca West.

    At one point, a young woman in a purple head scarf took the microphone and told them: ‘We’re no longer the minority, that’s clear from tonight. We’re going to be the majority soon.’

  43. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    Fuck muslims.

  44. eristicist says:

    That’s why it’s so pathetic that women are putting off having their babies, thinking they can just as well have them when they’re 35 as when they’re 25. It ain’t true, as a lot of women are finding to their regret.

    I think part of the problem here is that lifespan is increasing, and the speed of career progression is slowing in many fields. Simultaneously, it’s becoming more important for women to have careers — a two-parent middle class family is a lot closer to needing two incomes now, and divorce is far more common.

    I read an interesting interview with Freeman Dyson in which he said that he didn’t like the idea of PhD research because he thought it disproportionally forced women out of science — if you have to wait until you’re >26 (and often older in the US) to start a proper job, a lot of women who want kids aren’t going to bother with it.

  45. OFD says:

    “…a two-parent middle class family is a lot closer to needing two incomes now…”

    It became a necessity in the decades it took me to age from teenager rebellion to now. My dad raised five kids with my mom in a three-bedroom house wherever we moved and a car, on approximately $13,000 per annum. Try that trick now. Theoretically we can survive here quite nicely on one income, right now it’s my wife’s, but it gets tight at times and we’re behind a very large IRS ball-and-chain burden with a kid in college.

    “There will be no assimilation. There will be no acceptance of the American Way. People come here legally and illegally and want to create the shit-hole they came from.”

    How much assimilation has there been over the decades with Hispanics? Rhetorical question, of course. And we have word now that we’re gonna take in a quarter-million refugees from Syria, not all of them Syrians, of course, and damn few Christians among them. MrAtoz and I have no say in this decision. Mr. Ray down in TN was not consulted. Mr. SteveF in the Capital District has been unavailable for comment today but is expected to issue a statement soon.

    We must ask ourselves, once again: Cui bono?

    My view is that our national sovereignty and borders have been a colossal joke for decades now. Right there our rulers have voided the social and political contract with us. They violated it again when they failed to prevent 9/11 and then set about tightening the screws on the rest of us and getting us and our children involved in yet another series of obscene and unsuccessful military slaughters in the Middle East, which is now having blowback all over the place, at mind-boggling levels.

    Cui bono?

    How do we in good conscience rise anymore when the national anthem is played and revere the flag? We’re ruled by war criminal perverts and scum and no one seems to give a shit.

    At this point, you’re a damn fool if you don’t stock up for major emergencies in our near future and tool up, as best you can.

  46. nick says:

    I understand that fertility may decline on average, but we had ours late, with one at 39 and one at 41 for my wife. Caught on the very first try each time. And there was a decade of the Pill before that, but no smoking.

    The real risk is increase in birth defects after 40. It gets dramatic the longer you go.

    From a practical standpoint, we don’t have the energy of even 10 years ago, let alone 20. In opposition to that, we are financially more secure, and emotionally more mature. We are MUCH calmer with the kids than we would have been 15 years ago. Fighting the calender to get them out of the house and established while we age out may be difficult, but hey, 50 is the new 30 and 70 is the new 50. Both of my parents come from long lived lines, when lifestyle doesn’t get them. With access to good medical care, I expect to be healthy into my 90s. Without, we’ll see what happens.

    The disturbing thing for me is the ever extending adolescence. 25yo without ever having a job? Crazy.

    nick

  47. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    I’d make a desert and call it peace.

  48. OFD says:

    “Fighting the calender to get them out of the house and established while we age out may be difficult, but hey, 50 is the new 30 and 70 is the new 50.”

    If nothing else, we’ve raised two decent kids, one now married with three of his own making the big bucks out in CA, the other now in her senior year of a good university and 3.7 GPA in a very tough and demanding curriculum, albeit music and multiple languages. Neither has ever been seriously ill or injured or arrested, so there’s that, for which we are thankful. Two brothers have two daughters each, three in college now and one just graduated with a nice little career starting off for herself, also out in CA. Everyone’s healthy and out of jail.

    “I expect to be healthy into my 90s.”

    I might make it to my late 70s or early 80s, and would count myself very fortunate, if still able to function and take nourishment on my own. Or I’ll go out in a blaze of glory….we’ll see.

  49. OFD says:

    “I’d make a desert and call it peace.”

    If we were gonna do that, we shoulda done it long ago. Just don’t have the will or the cold-bloodedness to defend this country, let alone run an empire.

    We’re on our own.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlr90NLDp-0

  50. SteveF says:

    Tie a knot in it.

    Right. Because going against instincts for some nebulous or poorly-agreed-upon reason has such a resounding legacy of success.

    After marriage is one thing. If you promise to be faithful, then you should be. Outside of a closed marriage, though, there’s no moral reason for men or women not to have sex with whomever they like. Practical reasons, sure, and the consequences for slutting around are different for men and women. That’s the way it is, and screeching or preaching isn’t going to change it.

    Humans, as a species, have been spectacularly successful in reproducing.

    Yes, though in the past century and even more in the past half century, it’s been the, shall we say, less intelligent and successful who have continued to breed like lice while the ones who provide the innoculations and nitrogen fixing process and harvesting machines tend to have fewer children. Idiocracy, alas, seems to be a how-to guide rather than a cautionary tale. (And of course The Marching Morons before that.)

    evolution is not directed. It has no goal

    I get so irritated when I read “evolution wants” or even “because evolution was designed to”. It’s annoying enough when a political columnist or blogger sticks that in an article, worse when a science journalist does it, and infuriating when some jackass with PhD after his name does it. (True, on the occasions that I checked and could find it, the PhD was in sociology or psychology, and it’s not like those are real sciences.)

    “I hope to see a homeless urinating on Obummer’s limousine at his next golf outing.”

    I don’t see anything to fault in that sentence. I hope to see that, too.

    Fuck muslims.

    Even in light of the foregoing discussion about men instinctually fucking anything female and vaguely fertile, no thanks. Even if I weren’t married to a woman who is (ridiculously, in my opinion) fixed on this monogamy thing, I’m prejudiced against Middle Eastern women. There, I’ve said it, but I’m not apologizing. I just refuse to have sex with any woman with a better mustache than I have. Even without the facial hair thing, I’m convinced that Islam makes people crazy, and while crazy sex can be good sex, it isn’t necessarily. Crazy people also might try to kill you for no reason that makes sense to a not-crazy person. (I had one crazy-mood-swings girlfriend have crazy good sex and then scream at me at the top of her lungs half an hour later, and try to run me down in a parking lot. The “girlfriend” status didn’t last past the “car” thing. Another not-quite-as-crazy girlfriend sent her brother after me after we broke up. I took away and broke his big-ass Rambo knife and made him cry.) Anyway, I’ll leave the fucking of Muslims to Miles_Teg. I figure that if he’ll go sniffing after Hillary Bitch Clinton, his standards must be low enough that crazy women with mustaches are just fine.

  51. MrAtoz says:

    …his standards must be low enough that crazy women with mustaches are just fine.

    Here you go.

  52. MrAtoz says:

    Cankles is in there if you scroll down.

  53. nick says:

    Thanks for the warning.

    While doing tech support for my 80+yo dad I’ve finally convinced him that there is nothing funny enough at a link sent in email to be worth risking infection. After all, how many naked fat girls holding cupcakes do you really need to see?

    nick

  54. MrAtoz says:

    I’m currently learning Python to use with interfacing AVR chips.  I backed a project on Kickstarter by some guys who wrote a three book course on Python and Python for the Web. The books are under CC so I can distribute them. They are updated regularly if you want to buy them at realpython. A description and TOC are also there.  Answers and code are posted on their Github site.

    If anybody is interested, post here and I’ll link the books from my Dropbox.

    I’ve already printed “Hello, world.” to the screen.  I’m now a professional programmer like Mr. Lynn and Mr. SteveF. lol

  55. SteveF says:

    I’m not a professional programmer. I’m a professional asshole. I just do the programming thing to pay the bills.

  56. OFD says:

    “I’m currently learning Python…”

    Me, too; via online courses and a book. Thanks for them links.

  57. nick says:

    I’ve got several “Learn Python” books sitting on my shelf for the last 4 or 5 years…

    So I’m good to go, right?

    nick

  58. OFD says:

    Python is Python; the course I’m taking does have us download the two most recent versions of it, though.

    Also studying RHEL for RHCSA/RHCE, CCNA, and Ansible.

  59. Lynn says:

    I’ve already printed “Hello, world.” to the screen. I’m now a professional programmer like Mr. Lynn and Mr. SteveF. lol

    I’m an engineer who writes code. A lot of code, been writing C++ today. Stuff like this:

    // we need a comparison method to compare the current hDrawSymbols to the
    // stored hDrawSymbols and see if any of them are exactly alike, if so, just
    // refer to that one instead of storing a new hDrawSymbols
    bool found = false;
    if (numSymbolsCache > 0)
    {
    for (std::map <unsigned int, std::vector >::iterator iterator = g_SymbolsCache.begin ();
    iterator != g_SymbolsCache.end (); iterator++)
    {
    if (hDrawSymbols == iterator -> second)
    {
    found = true;
    m_SymbolCacheIndex = iterator -> first;
    break;
    }
    }
    }
    if ( ! found)
    {
    g_SymbolsCacheNextIndex++;
    int numSymbols = hDrawSymbols.size ();
    g_SymbolsCache [cacheIndex] = hDrawSymbols;
    int numStored = g_SymbolsCache.size ();
    m_SymbolCacheIndex = cacheIndex;
    }

    The young programmers at my place tell me that I am old and should be put out to pasture. Their prose is much cooler than mine apparently.

    I wish WordPress respected tabs.

  60. Rick H says:

    Hey, Lynn: try putting the ‘code’ (in angle brackets) around your code. I think Robert’s theme allows that. Here’s a test; the text between the ‘code’ tags is in courier.

    this is code
    and so is this

    Most WP sites allow the ‘code’ thing.

  61. medium wave says:

    Real programmers code in C.

    Let the flame wars begin! 🙂

  62. nick says:

    Woohoo.

    Finally got connected to my packet radio controller.

    In the end, I had to make a serial cable. I couldn’t get it to communicate no matter what assortment of adapters and x overs I used. The manual is no help. It’s so old there are instructions for building a serial cable for the RS TRS-80 Model 100 and CoCo. It ended up being 2,3,5 only, to 2,3,7 no hardware control pins on the 25pin. Default settings were 7, even, 1 stop @ 1200baud. Someone changed them to 8 n 1 but didn’t mark it. And in the end, it needed a x over cable. The cable that came with it was wrong (which is a risk with used, really old, gear. )

    Now I need to build the cable to get it connected to the radio. Baby steps….

    nick

    (surprisingly, although you can buy much newer and handier TNCs, lots of people are still using this one, especially on HF. If I like packet, and find it interesting, I might buy something from this decade, but this is a cheap way to get started.)

  63. OFD says:

    Fun times coming, as some of us have indicated here before; there will be some kind of tipping point…

    “Lone wolves like Dorner et al is not the only threat looming on the horizon nor singular individuals or family members seeking revenge for jailed, maimed and murdered family members. There are millions of veterans in this country who have seen the elephant unlike most of the self-entitled constabulary stalking the land. Much like the Irish Rising and hundreds of embryonic rebellions in history, the strike of the match may be lit by something completely unanticipated.”

    http://zerogov.com/?p=4480

  64. JimL says:

    Miles_Teg wrote:
    “Sure, but it’s not in our evolutionary self interest. How does behaviour like that evolve? It reduces reproductive fitness. So does homosexuality.”

    Agreed. But civilization requires us to live together without killing each other. I don’t sleep with your wife, and you don’t have the urge to kill me. In addition, monogamy and family enhances a family’s ability to survive, because the family bonds encourage us to defend one another. In advanced society, it’s getting along. When TSHTF, the bonds encourage us and cause us to trust one another. I would die to defend my children. Not so likely with someone else’s child. Drop your seed across town, and you won’t know if the zombie is your son or not.

    Homosexuality is, in evolutionary terms, self-defeating. Homosexuals don’t reproduce (in general).

  65. JimL says:

    Ninja’d by Rick (and many hours)

  66. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    Ants evolved drones, workers, and warriors. Perhaps gays are human workers.

  67. nick says:

    Lots of homosexuals reproduce. Especially historically.

    Especially female.

    nick

  68. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    Often together, if only via the turkey-baster method.

  69. Miles_Teg says:

    MrAtoz wrote:

    “Then there are people like Mr. Miles_Teg and Mr. OFD who want to f*ck Cankles.”

    Pass. But if Sandra Bullock were to make me an offer…

  70. Miles_Teg says:

    “Ants evolved drones, workers, and warriors. Perhaps gays are human workers.”

    It can be in a drone’s interests to support the production of sibs rather than have their own. But gays are human so they should be having their own rather than helping relatives or the community at large. Sure, they can help increase the reproductive fitness of relatives, but having their own is more efficient.

  71. Miles_Teg says:

    “Real programmers code in C.”

    C/C++ is like Hebrew: looks like an ant with inky feet wandered randomly across the page.

    Fortran, Pascal and Compass assembler rule!

    All hail Seymour Cray!

    All hail Niklaus Wirth!

  72. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    I prefer binary.

  73. MrAtoz says:

    Perhaps gays are human workers.

    lol Where would women’s fashion be without gays.

  74. Miles_Teg says:

    “I prefer binary.”

    Binary is for people who can’t count higher than 1… 🙂

  75. Miles_Teg says:

    “lol Where would women’s fashion be without gays.”

    And where would they get enough airline stewards without gays?

    And aren’t male ballet dancers gay by definition?

  76. pcb_duffer says:

    [snip] The young programmers at my place tell me that I am old and should be put out to pasture. Their prose is much cooler than mine apparently. [snip]

    Back in the misspent days of my youth, I had a professor deduct from my grade in Intro to C because my variable names were too long. He wanted me to use ‘ r ‘ rather than ‘ readloop ‘, etc.

  77. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    Binary is for people who can’t count higher than 1… 🙂

    Hah! Shows how much you know. I can easily count to 1,000,000,000. More, even.

  78. Lynn says:

    Hey, Lynn: try putting the ‘code’ (in angle brackets) around your code. I think Robert’s theme allows that. Here’s a test; the text between the ‘code’ tags is in courier.

    this is code
    and so is this

    Most WP sites allow the ‘code’ thing.


    // we need a comparison method to compare the current hDrawSymbols to the
    // stored hDrawSymbols and see if any of them are exactly alike, if so, just
    // refer to that one instead of storing a new hDrawSymbols
    bool found = false;
    if (numSymbolsCache > 0)
    {
    for (std::map <unsigned int, std::vector >::iterator iterator = g_SymbolsCache.begin ();
    iterator != g_SymbolsCache.end (); iterator++)
    {
    if (hDrawSymbols == iterator -> second)
    {
    found = true;
    m_SymbolCacheIndex = iterator -> first;
    break;
    }
    }
    }
    if ( ! found)
    {
    g_SymbolsCacheNextIndex++;
    int numSymbols = hDrawSymbols.size ();
    g_SymbolsCache [cacheIndex] = hDrawSymbols;
    int numStored = g_SymbolsCache.size ();
    m_SymbolCacheIndex = cacheIndex;
    }

    Bummer, just a font change. Does not respect leading tabs.

  79. Lynn says:

    Back in the misspent days of my youth, I had a professor deduct from my grade in Intro to C because my variable names were too long. He wanted me to use ‘ r ‘ rather than ‘ readloop ‘, etc.

    You have my permission to beat him with the Bad Programmer Stick.

    We have multitudinous variables using one character in our fortran code.
    T = temperature in R
    P = pressure in psia
    V = vapor array by component in lbmol/hr
    L = liquid array by component in lbmol/hr
    F = feed array by component in lbmol/hr
    H = mixture enthalpy in btu/hr
    S = mixture entropy in btu/F/hr
    I = regular index variable
    J = next index variable
    K = next next index variable

    Who needs more than 26 variables?

  80. Rick H says:

    Well, Lynn, you could try a ‘code’ with a ‘blockquote’. Let’s see:


    this is code that should be indented

    the ‘blockquote’ tag surrounds the ‘code’ tag.

  81. dkreck says:

    And too long is just as bad. I modified one guys work years ago that was way too verbose.
    accountsoversixtydays
    Please…
    acntsover60 would work as well for both clarity and conciseness. Some were much worse. Typos alone caused more trouble.

    When it comes to bragging I’ve always been most annoyed by the guys trying to use the weirdest and most convoluted shit. Often useless and incapable of rework by others.
    I’ve used a lot of languages in many situations but looking back on 37 years by far the most productive stuff I ever used was Business Basic. Probably several hundred thousand lines (much reused) but some of it still working today. Getting work done and making money doing it. (yeah I’m a pro asshole too)

  82. nick says:

    done=30 days past delivery date
    code=whatever I say it is

    Do until done
    Format (code) !mess with formatting
    :

    Can anyone else tell my last formal class was in Pascal and psuedocode? or that I looked at an arduino programming guide a couple of years ago? 😉

    nick

    BTW, tab in the body of a comment just takes me out of the comment box and highlights the PostComment button.

  83. nick says:

    And it italicizes and strips leading [spaces] too.

  84. Lynn says:

    And too long is just as bad. I modified one guys work years ago that was way too verbose.
    accountsoversixtydays
    Please…
    acntsover60 would work as well for both clarity and conciseness. Some were much worse. Typos alone caused more trouble.

    In some cases. The trouble with abbreviations is that you have to remember which abbreviation style is being used. And, many abbreviations are cultural.

    If you have typos in compiling code then you need to use a strongly typed compiler. At least a compiler where variable declarations are required. That is a serious problem with Fortran when “implicit none” is not used.

  85. dkreck says:

    Well this was back in the 80s and the default on the compiler was not-implicit as I recall. He used so many variables that I wasn’t going to go back and try to declare them either.

  86. eristicist says:

    For sharing code, I’d probably just share a link to an upload on pastebin or a similar service. That respects the indentation, and has far more horizontal space in which to lay out the code.

  87. ech says:

    I’d like a link to the Python books, please.

    I see Lynn’s company makes use of STL in their C++. A real time saver once you get the hang of it.

    And real programmers use LISP as their HLL. I’ve also done programming in octal. PDP-11 assembler that I had to hand assemble, then download a bootstrap program in octal, then download the main program in octal.

    What’s really fun is to try to read an APL program you didn’t write. I pitied the TAs that had to read my APL code since I frequently used strange techniques to solve problems. One of my PL/C programs for that class completely bypassed the intent of the code assignment. We had to deal and print out bridge hands like you see in the paper, with the cards in order by suit. The conventional approach is to mimic reality: randomly deal cards, sort the 4 hands, print. I did it by randomly assigning each card, in print order, to one of the 4 hands. If a hand got full of 13 cards, it got dropped from the list of hands that needed a card. Print the results. No sort needed. Got a 100 on it after the TA referred it to the professor. He liked the thinking even though I didn’t end up writing a sort routine. I would have done a bubble sort since we only would have been sorting 13 items, no need for a more complicated one.

  88. medium wave says:

    And real programmers use LISP as their HLL.

    Bumper sticker on my computer: “My other programming language is Scheme.” 🙂

  89. nick says:

    “Print the results. No sort needed.”

    cool solution, and out of box thinking. (as much as I dislike the phrase.)

    With the rise of micros in the Maker / hobbyist space, there has been an increase of people doing some assembly language, or so I gather from the magazine articles. Very limited resources, and a need to do real things=learn to do it the hard way.

    Sometimes I think how different my life would have turned out if I had the patience and focus for programming. But I didn’t, and the tools were too primitive to help me past those issues.

    nick

    RE: unsolicited calls about virus on your pc. The parking lot assistant at Home Depot was telling me he got one of those. I didn’t know what he was talking about. He let them ramble on until finally telling them he didn’t even have a computer in the house. I can’t believe it’s worth it to make random phishing calls like that. who would have ever believed pcs would be ubiquitous enough to even try.

  90. OFD says:

    Good garden advice, similar to what RBT has said here before:

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/09/david-goodman/a-smart-survival-garden/

    Ours is a little trickier due to small space, little sunlight, and northern climate; I’m figuring on spuds, carrots, turnips, cabbage, beets, and the herbs, but also tomatoes, ’cause apparently we can grow them here A-OK. Peppers not so much. Plus herbs. And starting a bunch of this stuff indoors in late winter/early spring.

    In other words, whatever they’ve been growing in northern and eastern Europe and Russia for the past 10,000 years, I reckon.

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