08:33 – Another young black man viciously murdered by a cop, this one in an incident only two miles down the road from Ferguson. Antonio Martin was minding his own business when the cop approached him. Martin did what anyone would do in that situation, pulled out his pistol and pointed it at the cop. For no reason, the cop started shooting, killing Martin. I can certainly understand why so many people are upset by these unprovoked shootings of young black men by cops. Interestingly, none of the news reports I’ve seen report the race of the cop, which I find curious.
14:22 – Okay, I’ve read several other news reports about the shooting late last night. It seems that “protesters” were throwing bricks at the police officers, who showed incredible restraint while under attack with lethal force. It seems to me that the appropriate action for the police would have been to order the crowd to disperse immediately or face lethal force. After allowing 15 seconds for anyone who intended to disperse to run like hell, I’d have had the cops open fire on the crowd with riot shotguns loaded with #00 buckshot, continuing to fire and reload as necessary until everyone in the crowd was down. Cops are no less entitled to self-defense than anyone else, and shooting at a crowd who was throwing bricks is self-defense by any reasonable definition. And one of the many advantages of buckshot is that it’s ballistically untraceable. There’d be no point to investigating, so they could simply have brought in front-end loaders to clean up the street and transfer the bodies to garbage trucks, which could then deposit them at the dump, where they belong. Or am I being insensitive?
Usually when they don’t report the race of the cop shooting a black guy, the cop is also black, but who knows?
Have Sharpless, Jackwagon and Fartinacan been notified? If they don’t show up then that’s more circumstantial evidence for a black cop. A lot of peeps don’t get it that almost always, at least in my experience, black cops are as blue on the inside as white cops. And they’ll kick ass harder on their own than white cops. Maybe that’s changed over the last thirty years, I dunno. We don’t have a lotta black cops up here. None, in fact.
In Germany for the holidays.
Long trip over. Between flights, time changes and visits was awake for 36 hours. Now get to spend three days in Haltern. Then onto Rena Norway.
Left a bag on the train by accident. Had expensive boots and Levi’s in the bag. Figured I would never see it again. After two days on the way back through Munich went to lost and found and Deutsche Bahn had the bag. In the USA the chances of getting the bag back would have a close approximation to zero.
Visited Murnau and Bad Kohlbrug in Bavaria. Really nice area and I would like to spend a month there.
Video here; The guy can be seen raising his gun at the very end of the clip; I’m not sure what he expected to happen.
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/12/24/teen-shot-killed-in-berkeley-gas-station-parking-lot/
If I were the medical examiner, I’d rule manner of death to be suicide.
I’m not sure what he expected to happen.
Maybe he expected the cop to “assume the position”. You know, bent over, hands holding his ankles.
Here in Canada, they are saying the officer was white: http://bit.ly/1wkRvfb
-Ron
We need to KNOW what race the cop was! Dammit! What’s funny here is how the media pussyfoot around with this all the time, with both cops and perps. They look so stupid.
Incidentally, enquiring minds wanna know: where are the protest marches and fund-raisers for the Asian-American and Hispanic-American police officer victims in NYC??? How come no rioting and looting and sniping from those communities???
Whoops, there I go again, bein’ rayciss an’ chit…
Rain and drizzle here on Xmas Eve; Princess winding her way back up from Maffachufetts and bringing her grandma here later, they say around “four-ish.” Haha, that’s a good one! Ima gon predict mo’ like eight-ish.
As far as I can determine, the rules are:
o If a white cop shoots a black kid, it’s the end of the world. If a white cop shoots a Latino or Asian kid, there may be grumbling. If a white cop shoots a white kid, who cares?
o If a black cop shoots a black, Latino, or Asian kid, there may be grumbling, but nothing will come of it. If I black cop shoots a white kid, who cares?
o If a Latino or Asian cop shoots a black, Latino, or Asian kid, there may be grumbling, but nothing will come of it. If a Latino or Asian cop shoots a white kid, who cares?
o If a black, white, Latino,or Asian kid shoots a black, white, Latino, or Asian cop, who cares?
o If any cop shoots a muslim kid, there is worldwide outrage among muslims. If a muslim shoots any cop, there will be worldwide celebrations among muslims. Except that few people will find out that the muslim shot a cop, because violent crimes by muslims are supposed to be swept under the carpet.
Did I miss anything?
Naw, you pretty much covered it, Dr. Bob; good job!
The only thing I’d add is that you can’t mention any of this or refer to it even obliquely, in public. Which you kinda just did. But we all know what’s going on. It just suits the current regime and cultural zeitgeist to simply pretend that things are otherwise.
What I still find amazing is that there is no video of the Ferguson MO shooting. All those bystanders in the hood and nobody whipped out their ObamaPhone. What I do believe is that there really is video, but it does not support the protesters (to use a mild phrase).
What I see in that video of the Berkeley MO shooting is a cop that almost paused too long and was not watching his back. He is lucky to be alive.
We are living in a time that no cop should pull upon a scene without backup right there behind him and locked and loaded.
And so in this season of Peace on Earth and Good-Will to Men (and remember that “men” refers to all of us) we have neither.
And Obummer enjoys another day of sun, surf, and golf on our dime.
“What I see in that video of the Berkeley MO shooting is a cop that almost paused too long and was not watching his back. He is lucky to be alive.”
Word! This was standard training back in MY day, but apparently forgotten or blown off now.
“We are living in a time that no cop should pull upon a scene without backup right there behind him and locked and loaded.”
Depends on the scene and the jurisdiction; I’d worked in places where there warn’t gonna be no backup, period, and acted accordingly. Good judgement on which battles to fight is key here. I would not have bothered to roust the thugs in Ferguson for just walking in the middle of the street in the first place; ditto the seller of cancer sticks in NYC; and this most recent incident? The cop showed up to investigate the call, which is what ya gotta do before determining that backup is even necessary, plus other cops might be tied up, especially at that hour of the night (and probable shift-change). He arrives and is immediately confronted by the two dirtbags and one pulls a gun and is aiming at him; case closed, mofo rioters! You don’t get to point a gun at an armed cop, or an armed civilian for that matter, and expect them to fold and wait to die.
“(and remember that “men” refers to all of us)”
How dare you, sir! This has been reported to the feminist theologians at the Episcopal Divinity School in Cambridge, Maffachufetts. You’ll be hearing from them anon.
MLK must be doing 7200 RPM right about now: The Monsters Who Screamed for Dead Cops
TMOC’s own social-media posts put them near the scene of the cry for police blood. Some of the slogans used that night—including “arms up, shoot back!”—are the same as the ones used by TMOC. And recently TMOC has been soliciting money for the legal defense of people it calls its “comrades” who were arrested for allegedly assaulting police officers on the Brooklyn Bridge, just hours after the “dead cops” chant was recorded.
“arms up, shoot back!”–we’ve just seen what a great idea that is!
You know, the one thing that strikes me is the different levels of training/competence with pistols among dirtbags, cops, and civilians. I’ve never heard of a dirtbag who ever practiced with a pistol; cops (unless they’re ex-military or hobby shooters) usually aren’t much better with a pistol than the goblins. Conversely, every civilian I’ve ever known who carried a pistol had shot/practiced enough to achieve at least basic competence (if not according to Cooper’s definition). Even at my advanced age and not having shot/practiced regularly for 30+ years, my guess is that I could out-shoot 90+% of non-hobbyist cops and as close to 100% of dirtbags as not to matter. And I’d guess that holds true for most of the shooters here and most hobbyist shooters in general. What do these goblins expect to happen if they start shooting at people who shoot back? I mean, holding the pistol *sideways* for heaven’s sake. I guess they must think that looks cool or something.
Holding it sideways is the image they got from dumbass action flicks over the years. Hard to look through the sights that way, but hey, YMMV.
I agree on the goblins, cops, and practicing civvies comment; that’s how it is, and has been, for many years now, ’cause department brass and their political mandarins won’t pay for the training needed. Oh sure, they’ll spring for the SWAT guys, but that’s about it, not even realizing it’s the average street cop who needs that training most.
Like I’ve always said; if waves of goblins start swarming out from the cities to rob and pillage and rape and burn and murder in the suburbs, exurbs and rural countrysides, they’ll be shot to shit in no time. It will be pretty much akin to shooting fish in a barrel. This is also true if Fed, state and local “law enforcement” officers attempt to run around and confiscate everybody’s guns; should be pretty entertaining. They’d need to enlist the armed forces and send units out in surprise pre-dawn raids simultaneously nationwide to grab, what did we say was the number? Half a billion to a billion guns in this country???
Or they could make examples of guys like me and park an APC on the block with Ma Deuce trained on the house and an Apache chopper piloted by newly reactivated Mr. Atoz overhead. Hey, don’t shoot me, bro!
I’ve known more than a few 12- to 14-year old kids–boys and girls–who could almost certainly outshoot every goblin ever born. Of course, that’s because they actually learned how to shoot and then practiced doing so.
I particularly remember one 14-year old girl from back in the late 70’s, the daughter of an acquaintance of mine. She had her own Pre-64 Model 70 in .270, which I thought was a lot of gun for a 98-pound girl, but she loaded her own ammo and shot an awful lot of it. She could have given a lot of military snipers a run for their money out to 500 yards or more. I smile when I think of how she’d react to rioters/looters in her neighborhood. Of course, she’d be in her late 40’s now, but she may have a 14-year-old girl of her own who inherited that .270.
Of course, we can always dream about the goblins deciding to take on Cathbin and/or Justine Ayoob, or their like.
Bob,
Your link to Jerry Pornelle’s site take you to a ‘not found’ page: http://jerrypournelle.com/jerrypournelle.c/chaosmanor/
This is the current ‘home’ link for Jerry’s site: http://www.jerrypournelle.com/chaosmanor/
And there’s an update on Jerry’s recovery (including a picture) there.
re pointing a pistol at a cop, or any armed person, I can’t understand it. Point and shoot, yes. Just point? What the hell were you thinking? You’re gonna get your dumb ass shot, dumbass. The only exception would be if you’re arresting someone, have some idea of what you’re doing, and don’t really want to shoot but are willing and ready to do so if needed.
Yah, it’s moronic. That’s why I always hold my pistols upside-down and pull the triggers with my pinkies.
I saw someone try that at a sand pit. Wasn’t able to hold on to the pistol for the first several shots, and I don’t think he ever hit anything except the wall of sand. I think we should figure out how to get gangbangers to start doing this, to make them even more pathetic and ineffective.
My Anglo-Saxon toes are hyper-developed enough that I could conceivably try this with either foot and score big. I’ll be sure to hold the gun sideways, though, as I think of myself as a real gunslinger gangsta.
OFD: How dare you, sir! This has been reported to the feminist theologians at the Episcopal Divinity School in Cambridge, Maffachufetts. You’ll be hearing from them anon.
I’m shaking in my boots.
Left a bag on the train by accident. Had expensive boots and Levi’s in the bag. Figured I would never see it again. After two days on the way back through Munich went to lost and found and Deutsche Bahn had the bag. In the USA the chances of getting the bag back would have a close approximation to zero.
Not always true. Several years ago, my son left a bag with my laptop computer and some expensive textbooks on a Caltrain commuter train in Silicon Valley. He checked with the lost and found and they said they did not have it. About six months later he received a message at school. Somebody in the lost and found department at Caltrain contacted his school in Portland to try to track him down as they had found his bag. His brother, who lives in Santa Cruz, was able to retrieve the bag. Everything, including the computer, was still in the bag. It turned out that the bag had been turned in but the lost and found clerk wasn’t doing his job. The clerk who contacted my son was new on the job and was trying to clear up a backlog of items. If his name and school name had not been in one of the textbooks, they never would have found him.
I once left a laptop in a restaurant. I called them the next day and they had it waiting for me.
I work at a large company. I regularly find cell phones which were left in conference rooms. I turn them into security. I was eating lunch with a colleague a while back and he mentioned that he had lost his cell phone and that security had it. It turned out I had found and turned in the phone about an hour earlier. The phone’s lock screen had a picture of one of his sons on it. I did not recognize the son or I would have given the phone directly to him.
Lost and found departments tend to have large collections of valuable items which were turned in and never claimed. There are a lot of honest people out there.
Rick in Portland
“Or am I being insensitive?”
Somewhat. Not everyone in the crowd was throwing bricks. I had counter-sniper and other riot control training during my time with Uncle out in Kalifornia. You want to ID and pick off the ringleaders and active hostiles if possible.
But failing that, esp. with the abysmally low level of training these days, then giving a dispersal order with 15 seconds to sod off would be next on my list. I might use the buckshot but aiming at the pavement near their feet. The blasts and subsequent wounding but not killing would disperse them in a hurry, as would the judicious application of K-9 and/or mounted cops with those long polo mallet type batons. No need to have a total massacre at that point; we’re not yet staving off Red revolutionaries with mounted saber and artillery responses in 1917 Moscow.
And honestly, why make it any easier for the regime’s cops and military to get used to mowing people down; today’s rioters in Ferguson; tomorrow’s white-bread exurbanites who refuse to register their firearms and march on the local courthouse.
Oh, and Merry Christmas, y’all, all Twelve Days of it.
Just saw a factoid about how NORAD’s tracking of Santa got started, via a misprint from Sears, Roebuck, who in giving out Santa’s phone number to the kiddies, accidentally gave out the NORAD operations director’s hotline. He, Col. Harry Shoup, was a good sport, and went with it, and the tradition has lasted since then, Xmas, 1955.
actually Hispanics or Asian who shoot blacks are often identified as “white”.
Anyone who lived in southern Florida in the 1980-1990’s will probably remember when a Hispanic officer, I think his name was Lozano, shot a black drug dealer who was driving a motor cycle toward him at a high rate of speed while running from another officer. There were several riots over the years including burn down several blocks in the overtown community. It also divided the police force which had significant numbers of Hispanic and Black officers.
Today as it was back then, whites or “anglos” are a minority in the area. If ti was not for the large numbers of Jews living in Miami Beach, it would be even smaller.
Maybe it’s just me, but I think there’s a big, big difference between local law enforcement under control of local authorities and federal military under control of the feds. The former are accountable to citizens; the latter are not.
To quote Larry Niven, don’t throw bricks at an armed man. Don’t stand next to someone who’s throwing bricks at an armed man.
“Don’t stand next to someone who’s throwing bricks at an armed man.”
Sure, that’s ideal, but massed crowds/mobs can make it difficult for someone who got caught up in one, for whatever reason, maybe even accidentally, to get out and away. It is scary chit to be stuck in a crowd like that. And by “regime,” I mean the whole enchilada, from the local “law enforcement” organizations on up through the states and Fed; they’re all more or less on the same page now and have to abide, supposedly, from the same “guidelines.” The local department is not gonna use massive lethal force like that without a green light from Mordor.
Wicked rain and wind here overnight; the wind remains, with temp in the high fotties. A lot of snow has melted away.
Christmas, beatissimi ac laetissimus, prospera omnia ac tranquilla anni!
I don’t think I’ve seen much mention of the fact that the two NYC cops that were just killed by the psycho from out of state were both minority. One was Asian and the other Hispanic. The only good event in that tragedy was that the shooter killed himself, saving the cost of a trial and life in prison.
It’s pretty to think so.