07:46 – I feel the same way about controlling abortions as I do about controlling guns: neither one is any of the government’s business, and the government has no right to place any restrictions whatsoever on either.
Unfortunately, North Carolina is one of many states in the South and Midwest that has tried to ban abortions by placing outrageous restrictions on personnel and facilities that provide abortions. Cynically, they do this in the name of “women’s rights” by insisting that pregnant women be forced to watch ultrasound images of the fetus and listen to a physician describe the state of the fetus. A new North Carolina law, passed over the governor’s veto, insists that women be exposed to this propaganda even if they (literally) cover their eyes and ears to avoid seeing and hearing it. A federal court just struck down this part of the North Carolina law, stating correctly that it was ideologically motivated. That’s good, but it didn’t go nearly far enough.
As I’ve said before, any hospital that receives federal funds, directly or indirectly, should be required to provide abortions on demand, no questions asked and at no charge, to any pregnant woman who wants an abortion, regardless of her age. If she’s old enough to be pregnant, she’s old enough to make that decision without the approval of her husband, her parents, the government, or any other third party. If the hospital does not have a physician on staff who is willing to perform abortions, the hospital should be required to hire or contract with a physician who is willing to do so. No exceptions. Any hospital that does not provide abortions on demand, with no delays, should have all federal funding cut off. Period.
09:08 – Foolish, foolish squirrel. It thought it could turn inside a Border Collie, particularly one on a dead run. It couldn’t. I just had Colin out for a walk when I spotted a squirrel in the street between us and our house. It was about 60 meters away, so I released Colin from the leash and told him to go get it. The squirrel sat there watching the fast-approaching BC, apparently thinking it could dodge Colin at the last instant. Which it tried to do, but Colin turned inside the squirrel and knocked it rolling under a parked car. The squirrel was uninjured and finally emerged from under the car and made a dash for a nearby tree. I’m sure it’ll be telling the wife and kids about its narrow escape from a Fearsome Predator.
Hi Bob,
You sound like Bernie Sanders. 😉 All other things aside, why should the Federal government pay for heathcare at all, much less elective surgery? Being pregnant is not a disease. By your logic, if they pay for abortion, they should be paying for everything…
They are paying for everything.
RBT – They are paying for everything.
They are us.
However, since ObummerNotSoCare compensation to non-private hospitals has actually gone down for “charity care”, Medicare, and Medicaid while the requirement for treating all who show up at the door is now more than just stabilizing care, it must be full blown treatment. Private hospitals can still just stabilize a patient and then ship them out to a “public” hospital which is then stuck with an often non-english speaker who has multiple problems. If you call 911, the first thing the EMTs do is a wallet biopsy to determine where you will be transported to.
Chuck W made a comment in the Saturday post: The computerization of operating rooms has also made it very difficult to make major mistakes during surgery. What makes this work though is what is known as the Circulating Nurse (which my wife has been for many years). Circulating Nurses have been in ORs for many decade, all the computer telemetry has just made their job a lot easier. But it still gets down to experience and a sixth sense while overviewing the procedure as a whole. I have a feeling of pride because the good surgeons want my wife as their circulator.
Personally, I do not care how the things I want get paid for, and I am willing to pay — either through taxes or insurance to improve the quality of life. Study after study comparing American health and healthcare with others around the world, consistently rates our life expectancy as substantially lower and the same with outcomes from medical treatment. Even Cuber has a better trained and more responsive healthcare system than we do. In one of the richest countries in the world, it is as insane to tolerate this as it is to put up with our education system that nowadays turns out stupid people, not educated ones.
Politics is not a religion to me. I do not care what method delivers a better quality of life. But doing the same thing over and over that produces no improvement and often retrogression, is as irrational as entering the same command in a terminal window that does nothing, but one keeps entering it over and over because it is somehow unbelievable that it did not work. If socialist programs deliver longer lives and better medical outcomes, then so be it. Capitalism and so-called free markets (which are hardly free in the sense of regulation and restrictions) are tops and almost magical at delivering wealth to somebody (the 1% at this moment in time); no argument on that. Collectivist systems, on the other hand, deliver no increase in wealth to anyone. But capitalism stinks in advancing coordinated infrastructures and optimizing delivery of the basics — which for me includes healthcare, — something our country can definitely afford to deliver to everyone at a reasonable cost.
And the cost of healthcare here is truly unbelievable. I never had a yearly dentist bill over 400€ in Berlin, but I just finished paying more than $3,000 for a few fillings and the extraction of a broken tooth. When I dislocated my elbow in Germany, total cost of treatment including therapy, was under 900€ with no insurance help (at that time, insurance was not mandatory), and 350€ of that was a 6 block EMT ride in an ambulance that I should have turned down. My doctor at the time, interned in NYC, and he told me if that dislocation had happened in the US, treatment costs would have exceeded $4,000.
I am solidly with the majority American view expressed in recent polls, that now that we have Obummercare, FIX it; don’t repeal it. This religious fixation of Republicans that Nobama is some kind of satan and everything he does needs to have a chokehold applied to it, is irrational. Especially since it is from Republican ranks that we got the Patriot Act, the most egregious compromise of civil liberties this country has ever endured. Get to work and fix that program; stop making plans to strangle its funds Mitch McConnell. Too bad Kentucky did not have the good sense to retire McConnell the way Hoosiers retired that warmonger Dick Lugar a couple elections ago. Nobody needs retiring more than Mr. Gridlock himself, Mitch McConnell.
The best way to fix Obamacare would be to repeal it and all other federal programs that involve health care. Before the government got involved, things were much better and much, much cheaper. Of course, that’s always the case when government gets involved.
Our medical care is still the best in the world, which is why wealthy, powerful people so often come here for treatment. And it’s not just Saudi princes and third-world despots (but I repeat myself…). It’s politicians and industrialists from all over the first world, most especially including Europe, the UK, Canada, etc. That’s because we have the best doctors, the best hospitals, the best technology, and the best standard of care anywhere. The only time you see any reverse traffic is people who can’t afford something here in the US going to India or wherever for cheap medical care.
Abortion: Can we agree that if the hospital gets Fed $ it has the OPTION to provide abortions (seeing as how no other methods of birth control are known to the human race) and if it’s a Roman Catholic hospital they leave us the hell alone and we don’t take Fed $ and don’t do abortions?? And quit persecuting us for NOT doing them??
As for Repubs and Dems and gridlock and warmongers, etc., I have already said here that with possibly one or two exceptions, I’d send members of Congress to the guillotine or firing squads, take yer pick, and ditto the State Department and DOD, while also abolishing the Senate permanently. Also current and previous presidents and vice-presidents. Their crimes? Treason and war crimes. If it’s good enough for the privates at Abu Ghraib, it’s good enuff for Obola and Jimmy and both King George I and II.
A night and morning here of mixed sleet, freezing rain and rain. Overcast now with temps heading into the fotties for the next coupla days.
I don’t think we can agree on that. If a hospital is open to the public and accepts any federal money whatsoever, directly or indirectly, it must provide abortions. So-called Catholic hospitals receive only minimal financial support from the RCC anyway. The overwhelming majority of their income is from the same sources as public and other private hospitals.
In which case the Catholic hospitals will simply close up shop.
If the ruling critera is gonna end up being that if a Fed bureaucrat walks by and drops his wallet momentarily in the hospital parking lot, that constitutes Fed $ right there and now they gotta do abortions, then count me out, and that’s how it’s going. They look for pennies on the dollar that somehow got into the budgets and that tears it. And the Fed bureaucrat injures himself picking up his wallet and gets admitted to their ER momentarily and pays for his own meds at the hospital pharmacy, that tears it, too, amirite?
If I was the RC hierarchy, I’d provide whatever support necessary to keep our hospitals open without doing abortions, or failing that, in the face of relentless pressure from the same Leviathan state that oppresses all of us, I’d close them.
Remember, this is the same State that tries to regulate guns and marriage and our currency and sends our kids off to needless wars. You want them to enforce the providing of abortions in Catholic hospitals anyway? How about transgender surgery, too? Lobotomies for the developmentally disabled?
My point is, that it’s a slippery slope; we make Catholic hospitals do abortions, at the gunpoint of the Feds, and what’s to stop the Feds from extending their depredations elsewhere with that as a precedent?
It’s not just RCC. Baptists are just as bad. We have a world-class hospital here in Winston-Salem, called the Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center, which has very little to do with the Baptist church. In fact, I don’t know if the Baptist church provides any financial support at all. Even if it does, the vast vast majority of its funding is secular. So on that tenuous basis, should that public hospital be permitted to refuse to perform abortions while continuing to accept government money? No way.
Same deal with RCC hospitals. If they want to refuse all government funding, including such things as medicare, medicaid, and other government insurance, fine. They should not be required to perform abortions unless they are medically necessary to save the life of the mother. But they get to refuse to perform elective abortions only if they accept only pure private funding.
You want it both ways.
Study after study comparing American health and healthcare with others around the world, consistently rates our life expectancy as substantially lower and the same with outcomes from medical treatment. Even Cuber has a better trained and more responsive healthcare system than we do.
Nope. Our 5 year survival rates for cancer are much higher than the rest of the world. The WHO study that is behind these claims is bogus. The US treats all live births as viable for purposes of infant mortality rates. Most of the rest of the world does not. Hence, we have higher infant mortality rates. The WHO study also gave high weighting to whether or not you have a national health service or national health insurance. Three areas where we do have problems in the US:
– we drive more per capita and have higher injury and mortality rates from car accidents.
– we have more illegal immigrants, who have spotty access to health care.
– we have more violent criminals, driving up the murder rate. This is getting better over time, though.
As for Cuba, you can’t trust statistics from a country that rounds up dissidents and imprisons them. For many, many years China had no AIDS cases because they don’t get decadent Western diseases there. Yeah, right. It’s said that Cuba has great immunization rates, but you can’t refuse them like you can in the US. (If I had my way, the only exemption from immunizations would be for the allergic. If you refuse to immunize your kids, they can’t attend any public education institution, or private ones getting federal funds.)
“True Love” from a devoted wife…
A very old man lay dying in his bed. In death’s doorway, he suddenly smelled the aroma of his favorite chocolate chip cookie wafting up the stairs.
He gathered his remaining strength and lifted himself from the bed. Leaning against the wall, he slowly made his way out of the bedroom, and with even greater effort forced himself down the stairs, gripping the railing with both hands.
With labored breath, he leaned against the door frame, gazing into the kitchen. Were it not for death’s agony, he would have thought himself already in heaven.
There, spreads out up on newspapers on the kitchen table were literally hundreds of his favorite chocolate chip cookies.
Was it heaven? Or was it one final act of heroic love from his devoted wife, seeing to it that he left this world a happy man?
Mustering one great final effort, he threw himself toward the table. The aged and withered hand, shaking, made its way to a cookie at the edge of the table, when he was suddenly smacked with a spatula by his wife.
“Stay out of those,” she yelled. “They’re for the funeral.”
I’ve seen that story before but it was nicely done this time by whomever.
Pure private funding for the Roman Catholic hospitals; works for me, but probably not for the upper echelons of the hierarchy. And the Fed State would keep trying like the dickens to sabotage it and subvert it anyway.
What’s going on here is that people who refuse to use any other method of birth control, including abstinence, want to force a religious hospital to kill babies in the womb, and probably outside it as well. They are willing to use the Leviathan State to enforce this, but don’t want that same State messing with marriage or guns or recreational drug use or a host of other things. Most of them are also in favor of using the State to use capital punishment. Thus, a death-oriented culture.
A fetus is not a baby. Saying so repeatedly does not make it so.
BTW, my dog went after two squirrels last week in our back yard. She actually passed them and then turned around. While turning around, she must have pulled something in her right front leg and immediately pulled her right front paw up in the air and limped over to me. She was better the next day and ready to go after the squirrels again. She is 12 year old English Cocker Spaniel and weighs about 35 lbs.
A dog’s got to know her limitations…
Which reminds me of the time one of our elderly BCs set off in hot (well, warmish) pursuit of what must have been an elderly squirrel. Watching him totter across the yard after a really slow-moving squirrel put me in mind of two old soldiers sitting in their wheelchairs reminiscing about when they were young.
Nope. Our 5 year survival rates for cancer are much higher than the rest of the world.
Word Mr. ech. Who can you believe other than your own experiences. Governments lie to make themselves look good in their citizens eyes. My medical care in and out of the military has been generally excellent. IMHO.
Nope. Our 5 year survival rates for cancer are much higher than the rest of the world.
Don’t worry. Obola and the elitists currently in charge are doing their best to reduce the awesome level of healthcare in the USA to the standards of the world. I expect to see employment ads for witchdoctors soon.
If so, there is a very qualified candidate in North Carolina, or so I hear.
Lies all the Way Down – more waaaaaarming bullshit.
Obola has thoroughly infiltrated the federal bureaucracy with his operatives and weak-minded patsies. It will be difficult to ferret them out should a Republican get elected in 2016 who cares about such. Since I doubt that no potential Republican presidential candidates care about the federal bureaucracy except for Rick Perry, who is probably unelectable, nothing will change.
I admire many of the federal laws in the name of safety and efficiency but they go too far now. The EPA is getting ready to lower the ozone limit to 65 ppb which will require the removal of much of the industry in the Houston area. Even though a lot of our pollution comes across the Gulf of Mexico.
“…should a Republican get elected in 2016 who cares about such.”
Ow! Damn, that hurt!
I just picked myself up off the floor from laughing so hard, it’s been a while…
Perry? Oh yeah, I’m sure. Let him be Gauleiter of Texas and stay there; if it walks and talks like a politician…
I’m actually in favor of Obola getting a third term and then having the Mooch take over for three terms…that oughta do it for Ye Old Republic. So-called. Then we can start over again.
And I’m thinking that the original Articles of Confederation will probably only work in one or two regions nowadays. The rest, after the breakup, will have to devise other systems somehow.
Well… let’s think about how we can set it up so there’s a good chance that a true small-government guy will be elected. Probably the best approach is to infiltrate and take over every catering company in the United States. Put delayed-action poison in all of the meals so that every politician and every supporter who attends a fund-raiser will die a year later. This should get all of the professional politicians and a lot of the scum layer of society, clearing the way for a handful of decent people to get in.
OK, so how to make this happen? I can take care of the infiltrating and poisoning, but there aren’t enough of me. (More’s the pity, I know.) We’ll need either a time machine or an insta-clone device in order to have enough of me. And of course I’ll need a large supply of poison. I wonder if there’s anyone reading this who could brew some up in gallon lots?
“I wonder if there’s anyone reading this who could brew some up in gallon lots?”
I’m pretty sure there is.
But I’m in favor of busting up the Empire, starting with closing all the foreign bases, and then breaking CONUS into separate regions. Small gummint is gonna have to work in whichever regions have constituencies that really want that.
Meanwhile, the poison idea has its merits, but I’m also in favor of public executions to discourage any further interest in this particular line of work.
Then we can start over again.
You do know that you will not survive the revolution, right? You and I are just too old to survive an event like that.
Note to self: only go to church potluck meals for the next year, no catered meals. And bring my own meals to the conventions that I attend in 2015.
You two are just babies and may well survive the revolution/civil war if you hunker down and prepare accordingly. I recommend, however, vacating the Capital District and Sugarland ASAP. Dr. Bob and I and some others here will likely be pushing up daisies.
Note to self: show up for more parish events and meals whatever their origin. Spend more time at the range. Eat more fish and veggies and fruit. Show up for Legion post stuff once in a while. Do more with/for other maxed-out combat vets and tell the remaining Good War and Korea guys it’s OK to spill now.
Oh, and find another line of work ASAP.
Got the stuffing prepped and ready to bake; cranberry sauce done; turkey breast kosher-brining; and other stuff with pots and pans laid out for my tasks tomorrow and the next day. Crab pastries and cioppino tomorrow night, with MIL and Princess here.
The usual on Xmas Day, plus, rather than bust my ass also doing the desserts, I bought two of them at the hippie co-op market down in Burlap today; why not let pro bakers do that gig for me? The usual suspects among the customers there; twenty-something know-it-all types with dreads stuffed under those ugly knit hats; facial piercings and weird-ass hair colors; smug and arrogant expressions on most of them; and of course the aging bo-bo’s-in-paradise types: in their forties and fifties and New Yorker/NYT readers, big on NPR/VPR, libturd Obola supporters who really wish HILLARY! could get in or even better, Granny Warren. They also have smug and arrogant faces but look pinched, suffering and pissed-off, too. Probably mad they’re not young anymore and the money can’t buy ’em love.
But maybe I’m just a big ol’ nasty cynical bastard.
Nah, the drug dependent such as myself will die quickly in a revolution. I suspect that my blood pressure will spiral within a week after my last beta blocker pill runs out. I will then stroke out rather quickly. The last time that happened, I tried 210 / 110 for a while. Didn’t work so well.
Or, the “Seditious ideology” police will come get us:
http://accordingtohoyt.com/2014/12/21/it-came-upon-a-midnight-clear-complete-short-story/
Mrs. Hoyt grew up in Portugal in the 1960s and 70s. She can tell you a thing or two about revolutions and secret police in the middle of the night. And “good men” – her slang for very bad elitist people.
I would like to label myself a “Usaian”.
Starting the last offsite LAN backup for 2014. Gonna relegate this WD 3 TB external USB drive to my home closet top shelf when done in a day or two or three. Usually I do the weekly external LAN backups on Friday but, not sure that I will come in on Friday.
I’ve got a brand new WD 4 TB external USB drive in a box to replace this bad boy. I’m wondering when I will be able to purchase 8 TB external drives (by WD). Or even 6 TB external drives:
http://www.zdnet.com/article/seagate-offers-low-cost-8tb-hard-drives/
I was wrong. I can already purchase a 6 TB external hard drive for $249:
http://www.amazon.com/Book-6TB-Hard-Drive-Backup/dp/B00KU686HI/
I don’t have that much data to worry about here at home; that may change in the near few-chah, though. As prices continue to drop. I’ll be building a FreeNAS box at some point, which should be fun. For now the USB sticks are fine.
Hey Mr. Lynn, stock up on yer meds as much as ya can and see if there are alternatives, maybe veterinary stuff? I have no idea, just tossing out some late-night drivel. Gotta do the same here for Mrs. OFD; if she misses her thyroid meds for more than two weeks, she’s a goner. Her cousin, a judge in north-country Vampire State only has a day he can miss. I may be like the Energizer Bunny; I dunno; family death stats are senility, cancer and gun shot. But I keep what’s left of my brain active, don’t eat much meat anymore nor do I drink or smoke or take drugs anymore, and I’m werry werry careful wid gunz.
But maybe I’m just a big ol’ nasty cynical bastard.
Yah think?
Lynn, I hope you sent that to JEP. I can see him getting a laugh out of it.
Where or how are you hosting offsite LAN backup? I tried Dropbox and it sucks dead bunnies.
Gotta do the same here for Mrs. OFD; if she misses her thyroid meds for more than two weeks, she’s a goner.
Liz had her entire thyroid removed earlier this year. Her endocrinologist said that failure to take her thyroid meds would lead to fatigue, but probably wouldn’t be fatal.
Rick in Portland
I was about to joke that, heck, I have more porn than that, but then did a quick computation. Say the typical porn DVD image can be copied off to 3GB (a plausible number, as most porn vids are short, I think, but mostly it’s chosen for computational convenience). That means 2000 would fit on a 6TB drive. I’m not sure that there are 2000 porn vids in the world that I’d like enough to rip, and it’s certain that I couldn’t afford them all.
So then I thought about pictures. I’ll guess that a nice, reasonable-quality image would be 256kB. That means that 4,000,000 would fit on a 6TB drive. Again setting aside the question of whether there are 4,000,000 porn pictures that I’d actually want (there may be, but I’m pretty sure I’d get bored of the whole thing well before hitting the 1,000,000 mark), there’s the major question of going out and getting 4,000,000 porn pictures. I’m assuming most porn site operators are canny enough to keep you from running curl to grab images 1-1000, so I’d have to click and save them one at a time. Maybe there are torrents with thousands at a pop; that would help.
“Liz had her entire thyroid removed earlier this year.”
Mrs. rick’s name is Liz? Mrs. OFD’s actual name is Mary Elizabeth, but she uses her professional name as “Liz.” Her mom and me call her Mary Liz. She initially had the thyroid go wack on her as a freshman student at Brown U. while I was in SEA and both of us, as it turns out, almost died that year. (1974). The docs have tried various meds and sometimes recommended radiation and/or surgery. We’ll know more whenever she can get to the docs again ASAP.
“Maybe there are torrents with thousands at a pop; that would help.”
Yeah, I’ve heard that there are.
Most of my piddly data now is text files, spreadsheets and powerpoint slides, and most of that is Mrs. OFD’s work stuff. My new work stuff would be tons of pics and a buncha videos. None of it porn, though, sad to say. Although I bet that would generate more $ by fah.
I, too, almost died several times in 1974, through various accidents and mishaps. I’d say it was just the usual boy stuff, but few of my sibs and classmates had as many close calls as I did. I don’t think I was especially clumsy or stupid, just I had more of the devil in me, or whatever that expression was. (I suppose “has the devil in him” and “not stupid” don’t go together…)
As for porn torrents, yah, no surprise if they exist, though it would seem largely pointless. Pointless on two points. First, Person A and Person B are unlikely to have similar tastes, are they, so what’s the point of grabbing up thousands of pictures and then sharing the set? Second, and I’d think more significant, why bother saving a bunch of porn pictures? If you have a good enough internet connection that you can pull down an archive coming to tens or hundreds of megabytes, you’ve probably got a good enough connection that you can just surf porn sites when you want to. Why bother saving the pictures? Unless you happen to come across pictures of an old classmate who always wanted to get into acting, or you’re heading for a year-long contract in Saudi Arabia where you can’t just surf porn whenever you want, I can’t see the point.
And I’m pretty sure this makes more time I’ve spent thinking about porn this evening than the total of the past several months. Something seems wrong about that. I don’t think I’m that old and broken-down and decrepit, so shouldn’t I be thinking about it more than I do? Hmm. This bears further consideration … after my nap and prune juice.
Just noticed that I screwed up my 23:06 comment. A 6TB drive would hold 24,000,000 pictures at 256kB each, not a paltry 4,000,000. Yah, I’m pretty sure I’d be tired of them before I got through that many.
Where or how are you hosting offsite LAN backup? I tried Dropbox and it sucks dead bunnies.
I write a USB external drive on my office pc and cycle it home once per week. I have three PCs with internal drives that we write each day.
We generate about a GB each day of new stuff that must be backed up and there is no way that our two DSL lines could handle the uplink throughput. Plus, I am paranoid and will not store anything in the cloud. I think that recent events have proven me correct.
And yes, I am paranoid. I have had the Russians, Chinese and Iranians come after us. The Russians and Chinese broke the security on my software and turned it into freeware. The Iranians have attacked our website multiple times, as recent as this year with a full DDOS attack for over a month. My web host was so tired of blocking IP addresses that they were ready to fire us.
I actually had a guy here in Texas download my software from a Russian website for $50 and call us for support when his disk drive crashed. He told me that he was going to sue me for bad software when I told him that he needed to pay us for usage. He has built several mini refineries in Iraq using my software to design them. Some days…
My daughter got her entire thyroid removed for her 18th birthday. She takes armor medicine each day for that and will go into a coma after a couple of weeks without it. Destruction of your thyroid is a known effect of Lyme disease and was the first of many signals that something was wrong with her. We are nine years down the road and the Lyme is slowly destroying her body. She walks with a cane now. On bad days, a wheelchair. On horrible days she cannot stand loud noises or bright lights.
BTW, Jerry Pournelle and Sarah Hoyt are big friends. They are both very conservative science fiction writers due to their backgrounds. Both were asked to leave the SFWA by the current radicals in charge there.
And JEP is doing better but apparently cannot speak very well or type:
http://www.jerrypournelle.com/chaosmanor/medical-update/
I can’t imagine JEP being a fan of Sarah Hoyt’s fiction. I got conned into it one way or another and despite deleting it, it still leaves a bad taste in my Kindle. I think I even reviewed it somewhere, it was THAT bad. Let’s hope it wasn’t her, but someone else.
So Lynn, do you backup to a LAN? A NAS? Inquiring minds want to know.
I got conned into it one way or another and despite deleting it, it still leaves a bad taste in my Kindle.
Her fantasy or her space opera? She writes in both genres. Her space opera has won a couple of awards and I approve of it highly. In fact, I would state that her space opera is very dystopian and is set in the future about 500 years if I remember correctly. I have yet to read any of her fantasy.
http://accordingtohoyt.com/my-books/
So Lynn, do you backup to a LAN?
I backup our LAN to a single hard drive using the old Microsoft robocopy program. One backup, one device is my motto (got that from JEP?). Robocopy copies the drives pointed to, kinda like the old rsync unix program. Our LAN backup is about 2.4 TB now and growing at 30 GB per month. We save everything and I am the worst. I have a full source code copy of all of our software releases for the last ten years. Our latest development environment requires about 12 GB.
We backup to ten separate devices. Internal 4 TB WD hard drives setup as drive D: on three separate PCs on the network. And seven external USB WD 3 or 4 TB drives on a weekly rotation that live in my home closet. I archive one external drive every six months and buy a new external drive. Takes three hours to do an incremental backup and 48 hours to do a full backup.
The online backup is a life saver. I cannot tell you how nice it is to have a image of all the hard drives on the LAN right there on my office pc. For whenever somebody gets stupid, usually yours truly, and deletes their entire documents directory.